Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 1)

Originally Posted by MrThinker

I think he meant mroe that her character is explored more in side content. I.e. Warring Triad and Eureka

Fair point. But G'raha had his share of side content too and the problems I pointed out in my original post still stand.

Originally Posted by Fenral

To borrow a phrase from a series that shall not be named, G'raha is "still in his promotional period." It's easy to forget that Alphinaud and Alisaie had theirs, too, in the leadup to Heavensward and Stormblood respectively. Krile also got hers in the form of the Triad story, but then she basically took over as a less intrusive Minfilia and continues to dwell primarily in side stories.

We don't really know where G'raha will land after 5.55 (or if he'll even still be breathing), but there's a distinct possibility that he's still around the way he is because we need somebody else who remembers Emet-Selch. Their time together in Aumarot could be one big Schrodinger's Gun as far as the writers are concerned.

(That link is to TV Tropes. Do not click it unless you are prepared to get lost for a few hours.)

But neither Alphinaud nor Alisaie tried to make every single situation about them to the extent Graha does. Yes they had their promotional period but the different between theirs and Graha’s is that they didn’t obstruct the story. It still flowed well. With Graha everything is put to a halt so he can have his little fanboy moments in what is supposed to be a very serious situation with people dying left and right. It ruins the tension in the story. Graha’s only purpose now is to be a plot device and to have constant plot convenience for the protags. Other than that he really contributes nothing to the overall story and is just really a detriment in the grand scheme of things(with plot holes and plot armor orbiting around him).

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

But neither Alphinaud nor Alisaie tried to make every single situation about them to the extent Graha does. Yes they had their promotional period but the different between theirs and Graha’s is that they didn’t obstruct the story. It still flowed well. With Graha everything is put to a halt so he can have his little fanboy moments in what is supposed to be a very serious situation with people dying left and right. It ruins the tension in the story. Graha’s only purpose now is to be a plot device and to have constant plot convenience for the protags. Other than that he really contributes nothing to the overall story and is just really a detriment in the grand scheme of things(with plot holes and plot armor orbiting around him).

I mean... he had his moment, while Estinien was mistaking the twins, hardly a serious narrative moment he "ground to a halt" and it literally flashed to him for 5 seconds, he took up less time in that scene than it took Alisaie to dramatically announce she was in fact not her her brother.
Love or hate his "fanboying" they've been sparse, it's not like every other word is him having a fit that he's actually hanging out with the WoL, in fact most of his moments have been triggered by the others teasing him about it and him getting flustered over it. By and large Graha just wants to help and has done just that, he tags a long, pretty much only added insight when it's made sense, and been given roles that make sense for him to have been given, allagan tech here, play the role of merchant there, and for all of his supposed show stealing, he actually doesn't talk all that much, unless we're in direct conversation with him, he's rather reserved, tending only to speak if he feels he's something worth contributing.

I think the whole "nobody saw it happen" bit is meant to imply that there was no crash. Rather, the Puppets' Bunker was underneath the mountain the entire time. Even so, those sort of circumstances would be difficult to understand too. Really, it doesn't make sense either way.

Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

I think the whole "nobody saw it happen" bit is meant to imply that there was no crash. Rather, the Puppets' Bunker was underneath the mountain the entire time. Even so, those sort of circumstances would be difficult to understand too. Really, it doesn't make sense either way.

If you look at it, there even are skid marks where ship sheared off the mountain so there was a crash and since there was a mountain prior to Bunker it means it happened in current time.

Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Perhaps it happened on the day of the Flood, when eyes were elsewhere, and the barriers between planes of existence were at their thinnest.

Perhaps the factory was built back then but the bunker definitely does not look like it was there for 100 years.

On the other note, the tower was visible from Eulmore outskirts (I checked it on my alt) yet no one noticed it...

Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

I mean... he had his moment, while Estinien was mistaking the twins, hardly a serious narrative moment he "ground to a halt" and it literally flashed to him for 5 seconds, he took up less time in that scene than it took Alisaie to dramatically announce she was in fact not her her brother.
Love or hate his "fanboying" they've been sparse, it's not like every other word is him having a fit that he's actually hanging out with the WoL, in fact most of his moments have been triggered by the others teasing him about it and him getting flustered over it. By and large Graha just wants to help and has done just that, he tags a long, pretty much only added insight when it's made sense, and been given roles that make sense for him to have been given, allagan tech here, play the role of merchant there, and for all of his supposed show stealing, he actually doesn't talk all that much, unless we're in direct conversation with him, he's rather reserved, tending only to speak if he feels he's something worth contributing.

That’s something we’re going to have to disagree on. 5.4 was supposed to be alisaie’s arc, what with the tempering cure and all that and it was overshadowed by graha vying for the attention. Even in the Ct quests, doga etc were overshadowed by Graha. I also agree with the alisaie estinien moment being out of place as well, but graha was just the overkill on it that wasn’t necessary at all. His roles however, since you bring it up,a lot of them conflict with other characters whose roles are supposed to be just that. Merchant? Alphinaud for example. He just seems to always find a way to disrupt the flow of story and lore, whether it be with the plot holes tied to him or just the way his writing is. Obviously it’s an unpopular opinion because people love their cute catboy and he could do no harm. People just need to not be oblivious to his faults.