Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 1)

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

This may also be a way of correcting previous deaths in the story. Moenbryda? Wasn't shown enough. Haurchefant? Shown enough in events but not enough in story. Ysayle? Wasn't shown enough (though I enjoyed all the screen time she DID get). Papalymo? Wasn't shown enough. All previous deaths were of characters that didn't show up nowhere near enough in the story. If G'raha were to die at the end of 6.0, I daresay it'd be taken a lot better considering how much screen time he got before his death.

No way he's dying. The Crystal Exarch sacrificing himself was hyped up throughout the Shadowbringers post patches... and then come 5.3, he just comes back with his younger body and everything is the same as ever. And he's the current writer's favorite character. Literally any other Scions has a higher chance of kicking the bucket during 6.0 than G'raha Tia.

All this talk of "nontraditional" this and "boyish" that being the reasons for folks disliking the Exarch/G'raha, and here I am looking at his survival plan like it's an episode of The Twilight Zone.

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

This may also be a way of correcting previous deaths in the story. Moenbryda? Wasn't shown enough. Haurchefant? Shown enough in events but not enough in story. Ysayle? Wasn't shown enough (though I enjoyed all the screen time she DID get). Papalymo? Wasn't shown enough. All previous deaths were of characters that didn't show up nowhere near enough in the story. If G'raha were to die at the end of 6.0, I daresay it'd be taken a lot better considering how much screen time he got before his death.

Unfortunately jokes aside, they aren’t going to kill him off anytime soon. The community loves him so much they had to write a second ending for 5.3 for him to survive just to make them happy

Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

I think the whole "nobody saw it happen" bit is meant to imply that there was no crash. Rather, the Puppets' Bunker was underneath the mountain the entire time. Even so, those sort of circumstances would be difficult to understand too. Really, it doesn't make sense either way.

If you look at it, there even are skid marks where ship sheared off the mountain so there was a crash and since there was a mountain prior to Bunker it means it happened in current time.

Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Perhaps it happened on the day of the Flood, when eyes were elsewhere, and the barriers between planes of existence were at their thinnest.

Perhaps the factory was built back then but the bunker definitely does not look like it was there for 100 years.

On the other note, the tower was visible from Eulmore outskirts (I checked it on my alt) yet no one noticed it...

I mean, the mountain is brought up in the quest, in fact it's pointed out and spoken about by Anogg. 2P uses her device, everything rumbles and shakes, you run outside, village under attack, you and the twins run through the bombardment, Anogg: "The mountain! What happened to the mountain?!" *pans to wide shot of the missing mountain covering in smoke* Later as you unlock the punker at the end of the scene it pans to a much high up shot showing part of the bunking beeking out from the crater of the mountain remains.
So, either the mountain exploded, the white androids blew it open in their attack or it crashed, though given we heard and felt constant rumbling and crashing as opposed to one massive impact I'm leaning towards them having blown it open with their flight suites. However everyone, including the PC most assuredly noticed, and heard it.

Originally Posted by Cilia

As someone who neither likes nor dislikes G'raha, I'd have to say the main reason people dislike him is because they don't (or can't) appreciate his boyish charm. He's kind, earnest, and helpful, and... not everyone likes that in a character.

Plus he's been getting a lot of screentime as of late in order to establish him as a core member of the cast after spending all of Shadowbringers' MSQ as the deuteragonist, and having a character you don't like on screen is going to grate on peoples' nerves.

I feel his behavior is beyond the kind, earnest and helpful and comes off as the creepy personality who is only helpful to get closer to the thing he wants. The issue isn't a matter of opinions being misinterpreted some actually see his behavior as wholly inappropriate and intrusive. After the scene in the cave in Azys Lla has shown he has no regard for people beyond his own needs and wants. It also does not reflect the character portrayed as the Crystal Exarch, we got a bait and switch predator. If he isn't reigned in he is going to ruin the story.

Originally Posted by Kesey

I feel his behavior is beyond the kind, earnest and helpful and comes off as the creepy personality who is only helpful to get closer to the thing he wants. The issue isn't a matter of opinions being misinterpreted some actually see his behavior as wholly inappropriate and intrusive. After the scene in the cave in Azys Lla has shown he has no regard for people beyond his own needs and wants. It also does not reflect the character portrayed as the Crystal Exarch, we got a bait and switch predator. If he isn't reigned in he is going to ruin the story.

I mean, while some players may not like his conduct, no one in the narrative has any issues with him, no more so than poking fun at his expense, like Thancred's "conquests" Alph's inability to not be in charge or Alisase's act first, think later mentality. As for the cave scene, I'm not sure what you mean, was it his little "show" in recreating our first meeting? Because if so, it's hardly the first time a character has taken some time while we're on the clock, cleaning Y'shtola's room, baking bread and entertaining children come to mind off the top of my head, so I'll give him his 60 seconds. If it was him thanking us for brining him, then I'm not sure what to tell you, it wasn't just like he's tagging along, he was useful on the venture given his knowledge and blood so I'm really unsure what he did wrong there.

As for not being the Exarch, that's the point, because he isn't, the man himself, Urianger and Beq Lugg all said they had no idea what would happen to him when he merged with his younger self, he isn't the Exarch anymore, nor is he the young Graha, he's a mixture of the both and he's trying to find his feet as whoever that is and they said this several times before and after it happened so not sure where the "bait and switch" happened.

To your "predator" point... not even sure where to begin with this one, him having a huge admiration for the PC hardly makes him a predator he's also done a horrid job of getting near us given two of his three plans ended in his own death and he got lucky that he in fact not only didn't die but made it back to the source in possession of his time in the prevented timeline and first, he did not ask for a spot on the team, he was offered one by everyone else and so far he's pulled his weight when out on missions with us, he's never just "been there" for the sake of it. He also makes no effort to stick with us once we out in the field, either suggesting we split up depending on who can do what best or if it's suggested by someone else agreeing with zero complaints.
Finally Graha is probably the last character who could be described as having "no regard for people beyond his own needs and wants" Ignoring all he did as the Exarch, all he's done since getting to the Source is help, asking how he can contribute.