Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 1)

Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

I mean... he had his moment, while Estinien was mistaking the twins, hardly a serious narrative moment he "ground to a halt" and it literally flashed to him for 5 seconds, he took up less time in that scene than it took Alisaie to dramatically announce she was in fact not her her brother.
Love or hate his "fanboying" they've been sparse, it's not like every other word is him having a fit that he's actually hanging out with the WoL, in fact most of his moments have been triggered by the others teasing him about it and him getting flustered over it. By and large Graha just wants to help and has done just that, he tags a long, pretty much only added insight when it's made sense, and been given roles that make sense for him to have been given, allagan tech here, play the role of merchant there, and for all of his supposed show stealing, he actually doesn't talk all that much, unless we're in direct conversation with him, he's rather reserved, tending only to speak if he feels he's something worth contributing.

That’s something we’re going to have to disagree on. 5.4 was supposed to be alisaie’s arc, what with the tempering cure and all that and it was overshadowed by graha vying for the attention. Even in the Ct quests, doga etc were overshadowed by Graha. I also agree with the alisaie estinien moment being out of place as well, but graha was just the overkill on it that wasn’t necessary at all. His roles however, since you bring it up,a lot of them conflict with other characters whose roles are supposed to be just that. Merchant? Alphinaud for example. He just seems to always find a way to disrupt the flow of story and lore, whether it be with the plot holes tied to him or just the way his writing is. Obviously it’s an unpopular opinion because people love their cute catboy and he could do no harm. People just need to not be oblivious to his faults.

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

That’s something we’re going to have to disagree on. 5.4 was supposed to be alisaie’s arc, what with the tempering cure and all that and it was overshadowed by graha vying for the attention. Even in the Ct quests, doga etc were overshadowed by Graha. I also agree with the alisaie estinien moment being out of place as well, but graha was just the overkill on it that wasn’t necessary at all. His roles however, since you bring it up,a lot of them conflict with other characters whose roles are supposed to be just that. Merchant? Alphinaud for example. He just seems to always find a way to disrupt the flow of story and lore, whether it be with the plot holes tied to him or just the way his writing is. Obviously it’s an unpopular opinion because people love their cute catboy and he could do no harm. People just need to not be oblivious to his faults.

And it was her ark, the Scions are a team it may have been her idea and desire but she couldn't do it alone and like anything else the Scions do, they bring member's who can help with whatever they're trying to do. Need to infiltrate somewhere? Thancred's our man, need someone Aetherically sensitive and knowledgeable? Y'shtola, need history and understanding of something? Speak with Urianger. Need a someone who can understand and even gain special access to Allagan tech? Good thing we just gained someone like that.
It being her ark doesn't mean she has to do it alone, it was her goal and she sought out the people she believed could help her see it become a reality and asked for their help or they offered it and she accepted it and then they formulated a plan and each played their part to make her dream real, like a team would. 4.0 was Lyse ark, I guess the WoL and other Scions should have all gone home as not to intrude on it.

I also never really feel he overshowed her, he was given moments of course, but I feel that's more down to this version of the character is literally a patch old, this was his very first outing as the fused Graha who we and I think even he isn't sure fully who he is just yet, but even with that little extra focus it was still very much Alisaie’s quest and by 5.5 he's very much settled into the background when not in focus.
I don't think he's perfect at all, none of the scions or any of the characters are, which is what makes them great, but I just don't see his "fanboying" as such a major flaw when he himself has done it so little, most of it is others teasing him for his admiration of the WoL, episodes like the one from 5.5 can be counted on one hand missing a few fingers.

That's a pretty loaded and odd take. Maybe...maybe people just dislike him because they find him to be annoying?

Originally Posted by Fenral

After this much back and forth across multiple threads, I think most of the backlash against G'raha is just that he doesn't conform to proper masculine stereotypes, and doesn't exist to pander to masculine escapism. Not trying to turn that into a character judgement on anyone, just, like, c'mon. Final Fantasy has a pretty rich history of characters like that that I shouldn't even need to go into.

Give the poor man his bow back, though. He can be our literal spoony Bard!

Proper masculine stereotypes?.... what?
He has a lot of issues but i don’t think anyone cares about masculine stereotypes in regards to him lmao. Idk how you got that from people talking about his story relevance and fanboying.

Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

And it was her ark, the Scions are a team it may have been her idea and desire but she couldn't do it alone and like anything else the Scions do, they bring member's who can help with whatever they're trying to do. Need to infiltrate somewhere? Thancred's our man, need someone Aetherically sensitive and knowledgeable? Y'shtola, need history and understanding of something? Speak with Urianger. Need a someone who can understand and even gain special access to Allagan tech? Good thing we just gained someone like that.
It being her ark doesn't mean she has to do it alone, it was her goal and she sought out the people she believed could help her see it become a reality and asked for their help or they offered it and she accepted it and then they formulated a plan and each played their part to make her dream real, like a team would. 4.0 was Lyse ark, I guess the WoL and other Scions should have all gone home as not to intrude on it.

I also never really feel he overshowed her, he was given moments of course, but I feel that's more down to this version of the character is literally a patch old, this was his very first outing as the fused Graha who we and I think even he isn't sure fully who he is just yet, but even with that little extra focus it was still very much Alisaie’s quest and by 5.5 he's very much settled into the background when not in focus.
I don't think he's perfect at all, none of the scions or any of the characters are, which is what makes them great, but I just don't see his "fanboying" as such a major flaw when he himself has done it so little, most of it is others teasing him for his admiration of the WoL, episodes like the one from 5.5 can be counted on one hand missing a few fingers.

I never said it being her arc means it has to be done alone, but the fact that he tried to make himself front and center in almost every scene that patch is what’s an issue. None of the scions are perfect no, but not many of the scions have the issue of derailing serious moments of the story. Or having as much plot armor/convenience as him(barring yshtola).

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I never said it being her arc means it has to be done alone, but the fact that he tried to make himself front and center in almost every scene that patch is what’s an issue. None of the scions are perfect no, but not many of the scions have the issue of derailing serious moments of the story. Or having as much plot armor/convenience as him(barring yshtola).

We'll have to agree to disagree on that then, I don't feel he tried to make himself front and centre at all, he felt organically placed and fit the tasks he was given and the interactions he made/were made to him, in fact I actually wanted more of him if the story allowed as I'm still curious to see just what kind of man he is now, just what the blending's done to him, but as he's arrived right as the plot is gearing up for Endwalker there's littler time. Oh well, perhaps in 6.1, we'll get that solo adventure we promised him.

What serious moments has he derailed exactly?

Originally Posted by Fenral

And I say again, that's fine. I'm not trying to pick any fights here. Like what you like. Dislike what you dislike. But please try to be honest with yourself and others about why.

Except that isn't why I dislike him. Kuja is one of my favourite Final Fantasy characters and he is even more feminine than G'raha.