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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    NieR Raid - Because I haven't seen anybody else mention it.
    I haven't seen anybody else mention it yet, at least not in detail, but the reason it's so confusing is that fully appreciating everything requires not only knowledge of NieR: Automata and its predecessor, but Drakengard (at least 1 and 3, since Yoko Taro wasn't involved with 2) as well.

    The first two bosses, the Knave of Hearts and Hansel and Gretel, are lifted to the original NieR. The semifinal boss lifted from Automata, where it served as the final boss and orchestrator of the plot. The actual final boss, on the other hand, has a lot of allusions to Drakengard: its subtitle translates from hex to "Aberration," but the DE code translates to "Grotesquerie." In the original Drakengard the Grotesqueries were... a race of extradimensional, giant babies with sets of adult teeth, that don't seem to have had any goal other than destroying the world. What set the NieR timeline into motion was ending "E" from Drakengard, where the protagonist Caim is drawn through a wormhole and fights the Queen Grotesquerie in the skies above Tokyo (1999 A.D., if I remember right); though he succeeds in defeating the thing it comes at the cost of his life, and the Queen Grotesquerie's corpse slowly infects the world with White Chlorination Syndrome. This leads to the Gestalt Project in an effort to save humanity, but this ultimately fails due to the actions of Nier; past that comes Automata.

    Thus why, though it's in a digital space, we fight Her Inflorescence in the skies above Tokyo.

    "Her Inflorescence" further refers to the flower from Drakengard 3 (which is a prequel to the original), the source of the setting's song magic. It was apparently created by the Grotesqueries (or Watchers, if you prefer) as a first effort in destroying the world, but is ultimately thwarted by the game's protagonist Zero (cold comfort, considering regardless of ending it leads to the original Drakengard). Her Inflorescence also wears Lunar Tears in her hair, referencing Kainé from NieR.


    So yeah, even without doing the weekly "NG+" stuff I'm calling shenanigans.
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    The thing is though, they promised you wouldn’t need to play the other games to fully understand the story, but now that seems to not be the case. It just feels like them advertising the other games so we can understand wtf is going on in the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
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    The thing is though, they promised you wouldn’t need to play the other games to fully understand the story, but now that seems to not be the case. It just feels like them advertising the other games so we can understand wtf is going on in the story.
    tl;dr: I completely agree.
    The issue is that rather than trying to integrate the YoRHa stuff at all, they ultimately went with an alien invasion plot from the NieR-verse. While I agree this is a bit clunky and requires lots of legwork (either playing the previous games, watching videos of such, or just doing plain old research) to understand everything... I'd have to argue it was better implemented than the Return to Ivalice series, which features more coincidences than plausible accompanied by egregious infodumps. (Though I admit to being biased against Ivalice, so take that for what you will.)

    You can understand the story without said legwork, but you won't grasp the implications of everything otherwise. Her Inflorescence even provides a few lines of dialogue - more than has been given by Grotesqueries beforehand - that hint at things not being entirely what they seem and suggest 2B and 9S might not be telling us (or even aware of) the whole truth.

    Regardless... "you don't need to have played the previous games to understand it" is obviously shenanigans, which is hardly surprising considering it's Yoko Taro, who is (in)famous for lying about those sorts of things to the applause of his fans. Auteurs being hero worshipped; gotta love it.

    The first "NG+" weekly quest just provides a datalog from Konogg that goes into the Collection.

    If anything, when all is said and done I'm expecting something akin to an actual NG+, after a fashion, where after completing all the post-story quests for the Doomsaying Dwarf and Dig Site Chief it resets the storyline and offers a new questline that provides greater context.

    Maybe. Possibly. Who knows.
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