Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 1)

Originally Posted by Slatersev

Just wanna say, in JRPG's "Supposedly benevolent god is actually super evil" isn't really a fresh or unique direction, its actually incredibly common.

And I think people taking "sides" between the two based on the idea that one has to be malevolent is sorta missing the point. They were both created to save the planet. The definition about what "saving" it meant was just different between there summoners.

I think the actual direction there story is heading isn't "This one is the baddie go kill it" its, that the fact that two being both born of good intentions ended up being diametrically opposed not out of any choice of there own but out of the specific ways in which they were created.

It's a tragedy, not a conspiracy where one is gonna end up the Big Bad.

If anything I imagine Endwalker ends with both of them sacrificing themselves for the star to help end the "Sound" because despite all there differences they still have the same fundamental goal.

Basically two imperfect but not evil gods is wayyyy more compelling to me then just flipping a switch and saying "Haha good god bad......again."

I agree, and again like the devs have stated, a lot of it has to do with the summoners, not so much the primals themselves. I semi-disagree with them having the same goals(the primals i mean) because Zodiark's goal was salvation while Hydaelyns was merely keeping Zodiark in check.

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I agree, and again like the devs have stated, a lot of it has to do with the summoners, not so much the primals themselves. I semi-disagree with them having the same goals(the primals i mean) because Zodiark's goal was salvation while Hydaelyns was merely keeping Zodiark in check.

Oh yes, but Hyd's keeping him in check was to protect the new mortal life that had arisen.

She was the Mortal races salvation, while Zodiark was salvation for the planet/Ancients.

Which means if ever there was a threat that arose against both of those things at the same time, well...

Originally Posted by Slatersev

Just wanna say, in JRPG's "Supposedly benevolent god is actually super evil" isn't really a fresh or unique direction, its actually incredibly common.

And I think people taking "sides" between the two based on the idea that one has to be malevolent is sorta missing the point. They were both created to save the planet. The definition about what "saving" it meant was just different between there summoners.

I think the actual direction there story is heading isn't "This one is the baddie go kill it" its, that the fact that two being both born of good intentions ended up being diametrically opposed not out of any choice of there own but out of the specific ways in which they were created.

It's a tragedy, not a conspiracy where one is gonna end up the Big Bad.

If anything I imagine Endwalker ends with both of them sacrificing themselves for the star to help end the "Sound" because despite all there differences they still have the same fundamental goal.

Basically two imperfect but not evil gods is wayyyy more compelling to me then just flipping a switch and saying "Haha good god bad......again."

I tend to agree, I believe the tragic element to it is the major theme here.

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

The thing is though,

It's suspicious Azem didn't respond to their overtures. So that makes it a bit doubtful. The other thing is, people are so quick to assume something is wrong with Zodiark but, what about Hydaelyn then who is also in the same classification. If Zodiark's summoning was deemed a bad idea and if he was causing problems, why would Venat's faction then summon another primal like him who also tempers? Yes they were tempered but you have to keep in mind Zodiark's purpose and also the way the tempering works.

Posts like this are so depressing, and everything I feared at the saddening revelation in Shadowbringers.

The community is turning against Hydaelyn because she's a Primal and treating her with suspicion. I so much miss the days when Hydaelyn was assumed to be benevolent and Holy.

I basically dealt with the sad and disturbing news by accepting that summoning Primals may not necessarily be a bad thing. And that Primals themselves could be a force for good, or rather that not all Primals were bad.
Perhaps our original mission and outset, being a Primal slayer, was a flawed one. As not all Primals are a negative or malevolent force. I want to believe that Hydaelyn is a good Primal, and will believe so until proven otherwise.

Hydaelyn is a comforting character for me, and maybe it's illogical. But I want to hold onto hope that one of my favourite character is not secretly a villain.

Originally Posted by Slatersev

Oh yes, but Hyd's keeping him in check was to protect the new mortal life that had arisen.

She was the Mortal races salvation, while Zodiark was salvation for the planet/Ancients.

Which means if ever there was a threat that arose against both of those things at the same time, well...

To be fair, Hydaelyn's purpose stated by Venat and followers is that Zodiark only extends the time till the end days and Hydaelyn needs to be summoned as a permeant solution to the end days. They then go on to show that Venat has to specifically be the heart to get the result they want. Granted we need more of a justification from Venat and company, but this doesn't necessary prove that Hydaelyn's only purpose is to keep Zodiark in check but more her purpose is to stop the end of the world.

Furthermore, the cave paintings from Shadowbringers at the end of Qitana Ravel also show that we are missing an event because there is a panel where Hydaelyn and Zodiark are just together--like they were balanced--then the next panel follows to their fight. If we are to assume that Hydaelyn was summoned for the only purpose of sundering Zodiark then why would this panel be here?

Lastly, there is another panel in Rak'tika Greatwood in the first set of cave paintings looked at by the WOL and Y'shtola near the Children of the Everlasting Dark. Three panels there show Ardbert and party saving the first, the rise of the Ronkan Empire, and another event involving a bright light or a crystal--which may also depict something else involving Hydaelyn.

Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

hmmm, id have to partially disagree.

What we learned in 5.2 about her being on auto-pilot is very fishy, but beyond that theres been telling signs. From the heavensward art that portrayed Minfilia as chained to Hydaelyn to Ardbert questioning if he was tempered/if she was able to temper but all of a sudden just dropping the sbject. Now i dont think its 100% Hydaelyn, she is but a primal. A lot of the fault lies in Venat(her heart). However, i dont think something that was able to cause such a destructive act like the Sundering is very good.

I not sure how you thought we were in agreement. When I was talking about how I was saddened that people were turning against and doubting

Hydaelyn

, I was talking about people such as yourself.

I personally in the camp of people think that Hydaelyn and Venat are good and heroic. And that we don't know the full story. Or, at the very least, am strongly holding on to hope.