Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.5 (Part 1)

Originally Posted by Cilia

Week 3 and we finally get a little bit of the "How?"

The Factory and Bunker sticking around are understandable; if they were created by creations, causally they should still be around even after the Seed and its creations are gone.

Being inquisitive by nature I like getting the answers, but to come in the form of what amounts to Tweets is just a little disappointing. Not a big deal, but it is what it is. Better question is "How did Konogg find this out?" if you ask me. (But we'll never know. It will forever remain a mystery, just like random animals carrying 148 gil and a magic fire ring.)

Legendary Frog reference. Fantastic!

Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

As far as Automata placement

I don't really feel like it syncs up to Automata.

If it's after Automata, then as said above the comments about machines feel weird. If it's before Automata, it's weird that the red girl would be there without being commented on here or in Automata.

I am at least glad that it seems the enemies didn't come from the Arc that shot off in ending D of automata, but rather seem to be from something separate here. The 'machines' we encounter might not be the same ones from Automata and just copies made by the seed or something, just as it seems the 2B and 9S we met were copies made because they put their data into the seed. And the dwarf with us in the final raid was a copy. So I don't think this is the same 'Red Girl' from Automata. Just as the Knave of Hearts we encounter isn't the same creature fought in Replicant etc.

Based on ending B from Drakengard, the copies thing is certainly a most plausible explanation.

The Seeds of Destruction all copy the exact monster that Furiae becomes once Inuart placed her into the Seed. I guess my hang up is, what's manipulating what? Is the Machine Network controlling the Watcher's/Power of God now or was the entire Machine Network consumed by a Seed?

First bit of actually thought-provoking Nier raid lore this week, IMO.

It's mentioned that the orbs came from a world with "machines named after gods" though I'm not really versed enough on Replicant/Automata to know what that's referencing.

Something else I'm wondering about is whether or not we'll finally learn what happened to Zantetsuken, seeing as...

*safety spoiler from 5.5 trailer*

Lunar Odin is one of the primals we'll be dealing with in the gauntlet that serves as the finale of Shadowbringers. We're well-aware he's not a conventional primal as he seems exist strictly through his weapon and has no followers, so perhaps simply having the thing shoved into a tower would be sufficient to produce knock-offs of him.

With this weeks Collection lore from the NieR raid, it's definitely making me think...

Though it's making me think of NieR Replicant. Her Inflorescence also reminds me of a certain Tree in Replicant that is well known for collecting memories... there's A LOT more to this Tree, but I don't want to spoil that for those playing through Replicant for the first time.

There is a novella which you can read on the NieR wiki, but... well, just get Ending D in Replicant and then play through the game again under a different name.

Originally Posted by KageTokage

First bit of actually thought-provoking Nier raid lore this week, IMO.

It's mentioned that the orbs came from a world with "machines named after gods" though I'm not really versed enough on Replicant/Automata to know what that's referencing.

Something else I'm wondering about is whether or not we'll finally learn what happened to Zantetsuken, seeing as...

*safety spoiler from 5.5 trailer*

Lunar Odin is one of the primals we'll be dealing with in the gauntlet that serves as the finale of Shadowbringers. We're well-aware he's not a conventional primal as he seems exist strictly through his weapon and has no followers, so perhaps simply having the thing shoved into a tower would be sufficient to produce knock-offs of him.

Well Automata does have

machines named after philosophers. That's the closest thing that comes to mind.

Considering 'the land of the gods' referenced in Drakengard turned to be modern-ish day Tokyo and Automata begins with 2B wondering if they'd ever get to kill the god that put them in this cycle and then the game ends with fighting the end credits, there could be a connection here with gods not being literal.