Is anyone surprised at this point?

[Duskane]

I doubt they thought Drk had an Enmity problem more so a "Esteem really should contribute to your aggro aswell"
like when Ast Collective Unconscious got changed so effect starts right away in SB it wasnt a "massive buff" to ast just fixing the move

[oblivion238]

I doubt they thought Drk had an Enmity problem more so a "Esteem really should contribute to your aggro aswell"
like when Ast Collective Unconscious got changed so effect starts right away in SB it wasnt a "massive buff" to ast just fixing the move

Collective and passage change were pretty massive though.

[Princess_Pilfer]

What frustrates me about it is Warrior was *already* arguably the best tank, on account of it's absurd self sustain. It wasn't gonna win records if you're speed running bosses, but if you just wanna get it done, (whatever it is) you brought a warrior.
And now the 'small' potency boost has successfully unseated paladin as the general 2nd best damage and legitimately threatens to do the same to gunbreaker, both of whom are *way* squishier than warrior.

Like, I have to stress, I think the changes SE made to how tanks work in general on offense was absolutely necessary, either as a permanent state of affairs or as a new based to build on, it just had to happen. But why would you bother to make such dramatic changes to even the offensive playing field, only to make 1 of the tanks so much more defensively capable than every other tank as to make it the obvious choice for virtually every fight? And then buff it's damage until it's unambigiously the best tank. Again.

If you're gonna keep multiple tanks are virtually identical levels offensively, you have to *also* keep them at virtually identical level defensively or you end up back in storm blood where 1 is just obviously objectively superior in the vast majority of situations.

Either homoginize defensively so non-warriors can keep up with warrior, or nerf warrior and/or buff paladin and gunbreaker so they actually get something in trade for being so much squishier. (also just...buff drk in general. It's harder then warrior and worse offensively *and* worse deffensively. Like why?)

[Argyle_Darkheart]

(also just...buff drk in general. It's harder then warrior and worse offensively *and* worse deffensively. Like why?)

It's not worse offensively, and it's about equal defensively outside of invuln.

I don't intend to sound horribly rude with the following statement, but the rest of your post is similarly out of touch with reality.

[Princess_Pilfer]

I don't mean to sound rude: Proceeds to phrase their opinion in the rudest way possible.
Ok, sure. Easiest mute ever.

Every tank is genuinely viable, so ultimately my complaints about balance are nit picks, but it's not actually in doubt that dark is in general the least good tank. It was the least good before warrior got buffed with 5.5, and warrior was the one tank with really similar damage. Then warrior got buffed. And a worse invuln and inability to self sustain are both kinda big deals in a lot of content.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

I don't mean to sound rude: Proceeds to phrase their opinion in the rudest way possible.

Remove yourself from the context of this discussion for a moment and assume, for the sake of argument, that I'm correct in my assessment. Is there a better way to point out that someone's viewpoint doesn't comport with reality?

Ok, sure. Easiest mute ever.

Ok.

Every tank is genuinely viable, so ultimately my complaints about balance are nit picks, but it's not actually in doubt that dark is in general the least good tank.

It's very much in doubt, if the concern is its performance.

[Bravely_Default]

Raiding with DRK PLD and WAR in extreme and savage content over the course of the expac I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt the warrior is the EASIEST to self sustain with. yes, paladin is very capable of saving it's own skin, but it's an uphill battle with losing their combos to sustain MP, warrior can do this utilizing it's kit quite fluidly. DRK might have decent defensive cooldowns but is completely missing the massive burst heals that warrior and paladin are capable of doing. Warrior with these buffs is actually closing in quite fast to paladin in the damage department at the moment, especially with the fight design with diamond weapon; where warrior's uptime falls in line with the boss phase transitions leading to it actually outdpsing paladin at the top levels. Add in that warrior has had the easiest kit to utilize and you have a very high performance tank that can hold it's own when a situation goes poorly.

[Sqwall]

Raiding with DRK PLD and WAR in extreme and savage content over the course of the expac I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt the warrior is the EASIEST to self sustain with. yes, paladin is very capable of saving it's own skin, but it's an uphill battle with losing their combos to sustain MP, warrior can do this utilizing it's kit quite fluidly. DRK might have decent defensive cooldowns but is completely missing the massive burst heals that warrior and paladin are capable of doing. Warrior with these buffs is actually closing in quite fast to paladin in the damage department at the moment, especially with the fight design with diamond weapon; where warrior's uptime falls in line with the boss phase transitions leading to it actually outdpsing paladin at the top levels. Add in that warrior has had the easiest kit to utilize and you have a very high performance tank that can hold it's own when a situation goes poorly.

Warrior has gained my admiration over the course of 5.0 expac. Not to much at 5.0 launch, but I really switched to warrior from 5.3. Warrior imo really is the best tank, and I play them all, Paladin is a very close second but I found it boring this expansion. Each tank has it's strengths, but warrior is just SO COMFY to play. It's strong, high burst damage, easy rotation, a sustain that healers love (when I heal warriors I'm way more comfortable).

See what 6.0 offers to the tanks and see what tank I decide to run with. Wait and see

[ItMe]

Wait... what are we supposed to be surprised by?
Potency tweaks mid expac to buff the tank with the lowest DPS (war)?
I feel like I'm missing something here.

[Sqwall]

Wait... what are we supposed to be surprised by?
Potency tweaks mid expac to buff the tank with the lowest DPS (war)?
I feel like I'm missing something here.

It's the comparison vs. DRK getting no love the entire expac while adding insult to injury of getting a full redesign. DRK mains may be fairly miffed