Off Topic Discussion Megathread

[Renalt]

I don't get streamer culture. Watching people scream at a game doesn't appeal to me.

Some streamers can be entertaining to watch but I don't ever get watching someone play an MMO.

Also I find reaction videos to be the lowest form of entertainment.

[Bukachu]

Also I find reaction videos to be the lowest form of entertainment.

I love reaction videos when its Drama related, otherwise pass.

Ultimately tho, the best way to show a streamer what's a good content and what's not a good content is simply by not watching/following etc.

When numbers go from 200k to 50k they'll notice imo.

[Larirawiel]

I just think it has less to do with the FFXIV community tbh and more to do with the context surrounding it.
There has been a growing frustration with him becoming a react streamer for a long time, and people waited almost a whole year and it was hyped up.
I think if he had done the same with Lost Ark for example people would've gotten mad too.

It's hard to judge these things too with Asmon because his fanbase usually doesn't even play the games he streams.
He has talked about this before too how almost no one in his fanbase even plays WoW but still engage in all of the drama and watch him play it ( at least based on polls he has done ).
In the end of the day his viewers are '' the Asmon community '' rather than a particular games community, even his own chat vehemently disagreed with him when he said it was somehow unique to FFXIV because it's something that has been growing for almost a year now.

The problem is, if he reacts to some videos then he has way more viewers as if he plays something. Reacting is that, what his audience wants to see. You can see it also on his zackrawrr-channel. This is his gaming channel and he reaches maybe 10k viewers. If he reacts to something then there are 50k viewers and more. I guess, the vocal parts of the FF14 community vastly overestimate their numbers.


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[Thaciscokidd]

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First of all sorry for the delay in responding. My daughter wanted to do some stuff and I got super sidetracked.

And I understand what you mean. And it is undoubtedly a combination of both. But i don't think that its as small slice of the community as people would like to believe. But it feels like the community is changing. It's not like LoL or WoW-esque community problems but something different. Like we are splintering. Not unlike the high point of the Gilgamesh vs Balmung conflict.

[Kolsykol]

The problem is, if he reacts to some videos then he has way more viewers as if he plays something. Reacting is that, what his audience wants to see. You can see it also on his zackrawrr-channel. This is his gaming channel and he reaches maybe 10k viewers. If he reacts to something then there are 50k viewers and more. I guess, the vocal parts of the FF14 community vastly overestimate their numbers.


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Ofc, but I don't really think that changes why people were upset.
He also says a lot that he doesn't care about views but I dunno if that's true honestly.

I think all people want really is some transparency and to not be strung along and have their time wasted.
Honestly if he'd rather just stream react content and drop FFXIV entirely I'd be fine with that I just don't enjoy being lied to.
And I think that goes beyond people who want to see him play FFXIV too it's a growing sentiment and I think something people don't enjoy in general.

When he streamed it before the break he wasn't doing the react meta, so if he wants to continue doing what he's doing right now I think he should be more mindful with the marketing of his content.
He can't really market it the same way as he did in the past because it's not the same.
Especially with all of the hype and anticipation behind it that built up over a whole year.

I honestly feel a bit bad for the friends he made ingame too, it's probably not fun waiting like that all excited to be a part of the stream and help him in the content like before.
Then it just doesn't happen at all and you sat there 6-8 hours logged in waiting.

It should be noted tho that when he streams games on his main channel he still gets around the same views as with react content.
Maybe a couple of thousands less at most.
It's moreso that Zackrawrr isn't his main channel so it's going to get less views.

I don't get streamer culture. Watching people scream at a game doesn't appeal to me.

If you haven't given it a chance yet then I highly recommend checking out Mikepreachwow's PvP tournament.
I think that was really top tier content and very fun to watch.

In general tho I kinda agree with you I only watch very specific stuff and some of it is also just background noise.
I don't particularly enjoy most of the big streamers tho I find that they're often very immature and just scream a lot or act like a douchebag.
It really feels like a lot of streamers that got popular as kids especially just never grew up, like they're stuck in this permanent stage of being a teenage boy.

One of my favorite streamers tho is a Youtube streamer called '' Turin '', he streams RTS games ( mainly Warhammer but also other games, recently quite a lot of Age of Empires ).
He has a great narrator voice and is legit really knowledgeable and puts on a ton of tournaments.
There was one pretty hilarious Age of Empires finals he casted that was full of politics, betrayals and drama between the players and had a REALLY unexpected ending that legit had me laughing the last 20-30 minutes or so.

First of all sorry for the delay in responding. My daughter wanted to do some stuff and I got super sidetracked.

And I understand what you mean. And it is undoubtedly a combination of both. But i don't think that its as small slice of the community as people would like to believe. But it feels like the community is changing. It's not like LoL or WoW-esque community problems but something different. Like we are splintering. Not unlike the high point of the Gilgamesh vs Balmung conflict.

It's hard to say and honestly I just never really experience it ingame at all.
I mean I am not saying I literally never experience toxicity, but it's rather low levels of toxicity all things considered.

I feel like the online climate is quite different tho and I do think people have become more negative about the game, and I am sure some will disagree with me on this but I do feel like most of it is artificial.
I don't mean artificial in the sense that it's trolling, what I mean is that people are getting really worked up and are being extremely antagonistic and legit angry about either rather minor issues or fairly typical technical gaming issues.
Like I dunno if you saw the thread about Yoshida saying that we'd complain about the lack of glam space in 3 months, imo I think that's just blatant toxicity of taking what he said and spinning it into outrage bait.
It's going out of your way to read something very negative into a completely harmless comment made in jest.
And it's something I think happens a lot at least on this forum but possibly elsewhere too.

People are just very angry and heated and have a tendency to think that the devs hate us or are completely incompetent and are never happy with any content and that people who aren't as unhappy as they are are '' shills '' or whatever.
In that sense I do think there is splintering happening, but I don't believe that it's justified.
I do think that some people legit just want to be mad.

That's my pov tho and my pov is going to be influenced by my experience ingame too and the people I watch and follow.
Maybe that angry part of the community is expressed elsewhere too, I simply don't see it but I will ofc admit that it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.




Edit: Wtf, when I tabbed into the game again someone had just whispered me '' am i ugly? '' LOL.
I swear I keep getting whispered weird stuff late at night/ early in the morning when I am standing around in Limsa.

[Vyrerus]

I don't get streamer culture. Watching people scream at a game doesn't appeal to me.

I don't get popular streamer culture. I like small streamers though, or at least, relatively small ones.

Ones who have between idk, 10 to 100 viewers regularly tuning in. Generally an audience small enough that they can keep up with chat, but active enough that you aren't the only one trying to interact with the streamer.

I mean, like, if I wanted to watch a big streamer where any interaction I attempt is drowned out or dismissed, I might as well be watching a recording.

Course, I don't watch anybody on Twitch unless they're playing a game I find interesting. The most streaming I've watched in this regards is Elden Ring streams from Joe Zieja and Jinzee(Proper Bird). Both are fairly lenient on chat commentary while also engaging with their viewers a ton.

Joe asked for help a lot as well, so I got to flex in game knowledge and map memorization skills for funsies.

Proper Bird didn't want help(backseat gaming spoilers etc). Understandable, but I still dislike that mindset (like even if a viewer is overbearing in wanting you to play a certain way it could only ever be suggestion rather than commandment). Even so, the trick was to just play dumb and make suggestions as if I didn't know what I was talking about. More than that, though, she's very cordial, pretty, and has a wonderful sense of humor. I made her laugh with dumb jokes at least half a dozen times in one stream. And she was laughing at a lot of other people's jokes and puns too.

TL;DR Watching streams CAN be fun, but I think once a streamer's grown past a certain audience size, it becomes more of a cult of celebrity. Folks just there to see what this big name doof does, whether she's farting into a mic or whether he's screaming into several monitors. Like chasing live celebrity tabloids.

[AziraSyuren]

Yeah. Smaller streamers are neat because audience interaction feels nice. You can get some good audience interaction all the way into the 1000 viewer range, especially depending on the subject matter, but past that it just doesn’t appeal to me much outside of esports streams.

[MilkieTea]

As someone slowly working up to becoming a vtuber, streamer culture is interesting. I think personally I prefer faceless streams myself, annnnd by default those will always have less viewers.

[MilkieTea]

No, he did not. He said, that he overreacted. But he has still the problem with a sort of very vocal parts of the FF14 community.


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Since he deleted the video I can't necessarily quote directly from it. why he deleted that clip, I've no idea, but it's not in my YT history anymore. But I'm pretty sure he only stated he overreacted and that he wasn't going to actually stop playing ff14. It *was* only a minute long.

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[Alleo]

I don't get streamer culture. Watching people scream at a game doesn't appeal to me.

I enjoy watching some doing a Lets Play or streaming a game. Either because I would not play the game and thus still get to see it. Or because I really like the game and want to see how other reacts. Do they react as I do, do they react differently? Sometimes they also notice things that I never did.

Its a nice way when I am grinding something in FF14. Makes the more boring part more bearable.

The part of the culture that I do not understand is the following someone around thing.