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[Thaciscokidd]

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It's a mixture of both. Ever since he came back from his last break he's been like that long intro then game (probably Elden ring and Johnny's trail being exceptions).

But its a reach saying its mostly 4/5chan(i too have seen the call to arms) doing all the disruptions. Take a look at some of the comments of his FF14 videos on YouTube. They get kinda personal and preachy.

It's not as bad as a certain other streamer's stuff got but both sides look bad.

[Kolsykol]

It's a mixture of both. Ever since he came back from his last break he's been like that long intro then game (probably Elden ring and Johnny's trail being exceptions).

But its a reach saying its mostly 4/5chan(i too have seen the call to arms) doing all the disruptions. Take a look at some of the comments of his FF14 videos on YouTube. They get kinda personal and preachy.

It's not as bad as a certain other streamer's stuff got but both sides look bad.

I didn't say it's mostly 4chan tho.
Altho it shouldn't be underestimated how good they are at egging people on and causing drama, they've done this multiple times on a very large scale even in the mainstream and had global news coverage based on bullcrap they spread ( like the okay hand sign and all that ).
When I read his chat too it's mostly people '' malding about the malders '', not saying that there aren't people going too far but I think it's an EXTREMELY tiny group especially when you also account for the people who are trolling and trying to stirr drama.
I think the overwhelming majority of people are being quite reasonable and just don't want to have their time wasted, that's all really.
It's pretty disingenuous imo that people are trying to spin it into '' FFXIV community so toxic '', it's just ignoring all surrounding context.

It's also easier for Asmon to individually act in a positive manner than tens of thousands or even more people.
It only takes him like two seconds and you save people 6-8 hours of their time.
Then again, Asmon has said before that if something benefits him at the expense of others he'll do it.
If wasting peoples time benefits him financially it wouldn't surprise me too much if he does it intentionally tbh, but I also think that he doesn't get to act like a baby when people rightfully call him out on it.
He's the one benefiting from it while others are only losing, who has the actual right to be upset in the equation?

Edit: There's going to be mixed thoughts on this too but I see a lot of people just saying '' it's his stream '', I mean sure.
But the viewers are the reason why he can stream for a living, and that same argument could be applied to other businesses that people love to criticize ( Asmon himself included ) including game companies.
It's their IP's, their servers etc.

I think that as soon as money get involved things change, in the end of the day it's a job.
No one can tell him what to do the same way no one can tell Blizzard or SE what to do, but it's fair to criticize and have some basic expectations.

[Thaciscokidd]

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First of all sorry for the delay in responding. My daughter wanted to do some stuff and I got super sidetracked.

And I understand what you mean. And it is undoubtedly a combination of both. But i don't think that its as small slice of the community as people would like to believe. But it feels like the community is changing. It's not like LoL or WoW-esque community problems but something different. Like we are splintering. Not unlike the high point of the Gilgamesh vs Balmung conflict.