Off Topic Discussion Megathread

[Thaciscokidd]

Yeah, and I bet they are going to butcher the remake or whatever they are doing with KOTOR (I think it was officially shown this month - the logo at least).

Yes this is both intriguing and scary. Revan is such an awesome character. With the wishy-washy track record that modern Star Wars has this might improve his character overall or destroy it before it hits outside of the SW stalwarts.

[Kolsykol]

Yes this is both intriguing and scary. Revan is such an awesome character. With the wishy-washy track record that modern Star Wars has this might improve his character overall or destroy it before it hits outside of the SW stalwarts.

Imma try and avoid spoilers.
All I'll say is that tbh I think Kotor 1 was fairly generic in hindsight, the main reason why it's remembered so much I think is because it's Star Wars and a solid RPG but also because of the plot twist.

Imo it was a game that worked really well back then, but trying to remake I think is kinda weird.
I think there are other Star Wars games that would work much better as a remake and don't rely so heavily on plot twists and with a more interesting story.

In the end of the day tho I wish people would stop living in the past and move on.
There's something rotten about devs taking the work of people who are long gone from the company and remaking it and then taking credit for it, half of the work is already done for them most of what remains is the technical aspect.
It kinda feels like art theft in a way and creatively bankrupt.
I just wish we didn't have to have remakes of everything and that we could just move on and get new stuff, but it's way cheaper and safer to do remakes it gets people automatically hyped up and like I said you basically only have to do half the work you're saving immense amounts of money on pre-production.

Edit: To be clear I am not saying remakes are inherently bad, I thought the RE2 remake for example was incredible ( not so much RE3, different team tho I think it was even outsourced ).
But I seriously doubt the motives for the Kotor 1 remake, I think it's a cash-grab and because Bioware have been on the decline in recent years so they're pulling it out their hat to try and win fans back.
Doesn't exactly instil a lot of confidence either considering the people working on it.

[SturmChurro]

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I think KOTOR is a pretty good RPG regardless of the twist. The sense of wonder and exploration is there. I played it after already knowing the twist, and played through it again earlier this year. Of course, it is an RPG of it's time, but frankly, I think it is still better than many "rpgs" that come out nowadays.

As for remakes, that's about all they (the industry) can come up with nowadays. Their original ideas typically flop, and they can get guaranteed hype and sales from old beloved titles and franchises. This is more prevalent in the movie industry, of course, but I think Resident Evil did set the precedent in the gaming industry. Granted, remasters have been around for awhile in games, and honestly, when it comes to KOTOR, I'd probably prefer just a remaster. It'd be better off if they don't touch it too much. If they had just touched it up, like the visuals, or made the gameplay a little less archaic, sure.

I even talked about KOTOR in this thread awhile back when I played through it last, but I can already see them completely altering and/or cutting out sections of that game. Things that would be 'problematic' nowadays. Who even knows how they will "modernize" it.

[Larirawiel]

Asmongold was very funny today because of WoW preorders and the green dragon mount.
https://youtu.be/IftdbVs9wLk?t=1293

Cheers

[Kolsykol]

I think KOTOR is a pretty good RPG regardless of the twist. The sense of wonder and exploration is there. I played it after already knowing the twist, and played through it again earlier this year. Of course, it is an RPG of it's time, but frankly, I think it is still better than many "rpgs" that come out nowadays.

As for remakes, that's about all they (the industry) can come up with nowadays. Their original ideas typically flop, and they can get guaranteed hype and sales from old beloved titles and franchises. This is more prevalent in the movie industry, of course, but I think Resident Evil did set the precedent in the gaming industry. Granted, remasters have been around for awhile in games, and honestly, when it comes to KOTOR, I'd probably prefer just a remaster. It'd be better off if they don't touch it too much. If they had just touched it up, like the visuals, or made the gameplay a little less archaic, sure.

I even talked about KOTOR in this thread awhile back when I played through it last, but I can already see them completely altering and/or cutting out sections of that game. Things that would be 'problematic' nowadays. Who even knows how they will "modernize" it.

Yeah it's definitely a good RPG.
I just think that it's not on the level where it rly '' deserves '' a remake or whatever, not if you take away the Star Wars IP and the nostalgia for the twist which doesn't exactly age well it's kind of a one time thing.
When I think of whether something is good or not I tend to separate it from the existing IP hype.
So when I look at something having to do with Star Wars I kinda just ignore the Star Wars part and think of it as if it was a new IP.

I do think it's a good RPG without that too, but I also think that the fact that it's Star Wars sorta just per default gives it a huge head start.
Games like Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect for example were new IP's so they had to stand entirely on their own legs which is a lot harder to do.
There's plenty of other good RPG's out there but they won't get a remake/ remaster because they're not Star Wars.

[SturmChurro]

Yeah it's definitely a good RPG.
I just think that it's not on the level where it rly '' deserves '' a remake or whatever, not if you take away the Star Wars IP and the nostalgia for the twist which doesn't exactly age well it's kind of a one time thing.
When I think of whether something is good or not I tend to separate it from the existing IP hype.
So when I look at something having to do with Star Wars I kinda just ignore the Star Wars part and think of it as if it was a new IP.

I do think it's a good RPG without that too, but I also think that the fact that it's Star Wars sorta just per default gives it a huge head start.
Games like Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect for example were new IP's so they had to stand entirely on their own legs which is a lot harder to do.
There's plenty of other good RPG's out there but they won't get a remake/ remaster because they're not Star Wars.

KOTOR definitely is on the level of deserving a remaster. I think KOTOR is an RPG classic. A remake is a bit much, that's more so to cash in on hype. The thing about Dragon Age, and Mass Effect, is that, yes, they might have not had the name recognition of Star Wars, but they did have the BIOWARE name behind them. Who were known for Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, KOTOR, Jade Empire, etc..

[Thaciscokidd]

Jade Empire

Talk about a game that needs a remaster! I remember being a little E-4 buying this gem at the Sasebo NEX!

[RyuDragnier]

Talk about a game that needs a remaster! I remember being a little E-4 buying this gem at the Sasebo NEX!

Oh man the memories...if there was ever a game that needed a remake or re-release in this day and age, it's that one. Why it hasn't been re-released is a mystery for the ages.

[Kolsykol]

KOTOR definitely is on the level of deserving a remaster. I think KOTOR is an RPG classic. A remake is a bit much, that's more so to cash in on hype. The thing about Dragon Age, and Mass Effect, is that, yes, they might have not had the name recognition of Star Wars, but they did have the BIOWARE name behind them. Who were known for Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, KOTOR, Jade Empire, etc..

Well, agree to disagree.
I honestly don't believe Kotor would've become a RPG classic without the Star Wars IP.

But yeah I'd rather a remaster than remake.
Generally I am not a fan of remakes especially, at least if you're not getting the original creators to lead it.
It feels kinda disrespectful imo.

People often talk about how games are art, but I feel like this kinda detracts from it.
It feels more like just a product alone and nothing more, if it's really art then is it right to take the artists work and fundamentally change it in the way of a remake?
I don't think so personally.

Talk about a game that needs a remaster! I remember being a little E-4 buying this gem at the Sasebo NEX!

This reminds me that I bought it on Steam but never played it lol.

[RyuDragnier]

This reminds me that I bought it on Steam but never played it lol.

WAIT, IT'S ON STEAM!? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

EDIT: For under $4 on Steam...IT IS MINE AGAIN.