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  1. #1631
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    You ever played a game like Rising Storm, where you can't even see the enemies often times?
    Yeah altho I mostly played Red Orchestra.
    It's pretty different tho, Insurgency has smaller maps you run into enemies pretty early.
    So if someone on your team runs ahead and doesn't have a good visual indicator that they're friendly it's basically impossible to see, you basically have to make a split second guess.
    And they can make themselves look VERY similar to the default appearance of the enemy even.
    You go into a room or turn around a corner and you see someone in full tacticool with no name tag or anything and they could either be friendly or an enemy because of their skin it's impossible to see.

    It's a pretty common complaint in Insurgency that they're adding too many skins and that they look too silly and makes it hard to see, the game was originally basically marketed as a more hardcore and semi '' realistic '' FPS but it doesn't sell skins I guess :P.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cincierta View Post
    I saw that. I'm sad it's going as it was one of the bigger mmos I played back in the day, but I left when it became more and more cash-shop heavy, catered to the Elin, and just started going ham on genderlocked jobs.

    I still remember one time watching a friend fight a basilisk BAM in the desert area. He was fighting it solo and then suddenly the BAM turned around and ran away, hiked a 120 foot wall, circled back around, and came back behind him for no reason at all.

    We were both like 'wtf did we just bear witness to?'

    That was also the game where we realized the Lancer tank class could block lava.
    Elin is probably one of the most blatant '' bait '' race I've seen in a MMO like this, I think they were legit off-putting to people who otherwise enjoyed the visual aesthetic.
    I can't think of any other that took it as far.

    In BDO they do have a '' child character '' too but based on what I've seen ( at least in EU/ NA ) she's just cutsey basically, the Elin were pretty out there.
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  2. #1632
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    Matthieu Desrosiers
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    When I first saw Tera, I was excited by the possibility of playing a Castanic. I think the men looked incredible - and then I saw Elin and wanted nothing to do with the game. That sort of thing is just creepy and weird to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    When I first saw Tera, I was excited by the possibility of playing a Castanic. I think the men looked incredible - and then I saw Elin and wanted nothing to do with the game. That sort of thing is just creepy and weird to me.
    If my memory serves me correctly the game got F2P because the swim suit, according to the devs, got so popular for elin that they made big $$$ out of it. Still gives me shudders to this day.
    Castanic males were awesome! Was my main up until I quit because of the reasons I stated earlier.
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  4. #1634
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    When I first saw Tera, I was excited by the possibility of playing a Castanic. I think the men looked incredible - and then I saw Elin and wanted nothing to do with the game. That sort of thing is just creepy and weird to me.
    Yeah, I'm all for freedom of expression and what not but those models were some sleazy creep bait. Hurt the game with a wider audience.
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  5. #1635
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    When I first saw Tera, I was excited by the possibility of playing a Castanic. I think the men looked incredible - and then I saw Elin and wanted nothing to do with the game. That sort of thing is just creepy and weird to me.
    Yeah, I have a very high tolerance in general when it comes to '' Eastern artstyles '' but that sort of stuff always creeps me out.
    It really didn't help how much they focused on them too especially later on.
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  6. #1636
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    Metal Gear Rising mod for Sekiro, looks pretty damn cool xD.
    I have a sudden urge to replay now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a25ZJbO3bGM
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  7. #1637
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    When I first saw Tera, I was excited by the possibility of playing a Castanic. I think the men looked incredible - and then I saw Elin and wanted nothing to do with the game. That sort of thing is just creepy and weird to me.
    Elin were one of the reasons I never got into Tera. They just creeped me out but were treated as the holy grail of character creation.
    I strongly dislike the "underage uwu anime girl" look and the countless ecchi poses in addition to Tera gear being quite skimpy in general just felt so wrong. It was definitely not aimed to be a "cute childlike" race, they were designed to look sexy from head to toe while pretending to be cute and innocent.
    Freedom of expression is one thing but the way they blatantly creep baited with them was next level.

    And then there was the community up in arms over Elin getting censored. Part of them critized the lazy way it was done (which was a valid point because it was really uncreative) but a lot of them explicitely stated that they wanted their little loli to only wear tiny panties and that the shorts make them so boring.
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    Last edited by Rilifane; 04-22-2022 at 07:37 PM.

  8. #1638
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    Elin were one of the reasons I never got into Tera. They just creeped me out but were treated as the holy grail of character creation.
    I strongly dislike the "underage uwu anime girl" look and the countless ecchi poses in addition to Tera gear being quite skimpy in general just felt so wrong. It was definitely not aimed to be a "cute childlike" race, they were designed to look sexy from head to toe while pretending to be cute and innocent.
    Freedom of expression is one thing but the way they blatantly creep baited with them was next level.

    And then there was the community up in arms over Elin getting censored. Part of them critized the lazy way it was done (which was a valid point because it was really uncreative) but a lot of them explicitely stated that they wanted their little loli to only wear tiny panties and that the shorts make them so boring.
    I have a pretty hard stance on censorship, there's a lot of games and studios/ publishers that I just blatantly refuse to support for even slight censorship I have pretty much a zero tolerance for it.
    But yeah stuff like the Elin is totally different, and I think it's the same too if you have a game full of extreme violence and you originally had a minor get harmed and it got censored.

    When it comes to adults I just have zero tolerance for moralization and censorship, especially when it comes to something harmless as sex and sexuality people sitting around policing that on behalf of everyone else is just gross to me and a complete buzzkill.
    But leave minors out of it...
    That's adult stuff, and I do believe in the sanctity of childhood for a lack of a better term.
    Not sure if that's a good term for it or not and if it gets the point across.

    But yeah one of the other issues with censorship too is often how poorly it's done and how obvious it is, it always just looks inferior and like it has clearly been tampered with.
    In the case of something like Elin tho I have more of an understanding for it even tho I think they could've done a better job with it.
    It's definitely really frustrating tho how such a rather gross niche can derail a game so much.
    Just because I like the overall art design of Tera doesn't mean I am okay with them, and I think most people find them really unsettling and gross but it kinda just ends up being all about them and where the discussion and attention is drawn to.
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  9. #1639
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    When I first saw Tera, I was excited by the possibility of playing a Castanic. I think the men looked incredible - and then I saw Elin and wanted nothing to do with the game. That sort of thing is just creepy and weird to me.
    I think the character I mained was an Elin, when I tried Tera. Not that I played it long enough to really "main anything". It was race/gender locked, if I recall. It's been so long. I don't think I can even remember what the class was.
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 04-22-2022 at 11:47 PM.

  10. #1640
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    Do you guys have any hacks now that it's getting warmer to cool rooms?
    My office is a nightmare during warm weather/ summer <_<, even with a fan on full power pointed at me lol.
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