Off Topic Discussion Megathread

[Kolsykol]

True. But it is also somehow a fault of the SQEX's marketing, that the people thought this. The streamers showed the crowd how the game really is.


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Not sure what you mean honestly.
Even so tho, I think the marketing is quite honest for what the game is.
Mostly I think people just make assumptions '' cuz Japan '' and because it's not Western.

People are kinda shallow about it tho, a lot of people will look at a game like Guilty Gear Rev 2, Skullgirls or Blazblue and think '' weeb game '' but then they'll look at Mortal Kombat as the '' real and mature hardcore fighting game ''.
Anyone who has played these games know how full of shiet that take would be and it seems to mostly be a Western mentality.
Somehow Smash gets more acceptance too.

It's the same with stories in games, I just can't sympathize with people who will write games like the Drakengard games and Nier Replicant and Automata off because of the character designs.
To me it's just kinda sad if someone needs the presentation to be like The Last of Us or something in order to take it seriously and very limiting to the media.
People are obviously entitled to like and dislike what they want but when they act like their personal opinions means something about the game and that there's nothing to it then I think they're kinda just being stupid.
Or like if someone can take the story in Mortal Kombat seriously regardless of the constant retcons every game and with the marketing 99% revolving around comedic levels of gore some of which was literally conceived through crayon drawings as the original concept.
But then they can't take FFXIV or Automata seriously, to me that's pretty ridiculous and sad.

I think a lot of people are just yelling '' weeb game '' because it's '' different '' and they're pretty intolerant and close-minded to things even just a little out of their comfort zone.

[Larirawiel]

Not sure what you mean honestly.
Even so tho, I think the marketing is quite honest for what the game is.
Mostly I think people just make assumptions '' cuz Japan '' and because it's not Western.

I mean, the SQEX's marketing department should notice this, that many people thought, that FF14 is a weeb game. In this case, they should have start some countermeasures against it. But they did nothing. Maybe they did not notice it or they did not care or they thought, that the game trailers are enough. But in all those cases it was a fault. I bet, Asmongold alone brought more new players to the game than SQEX's marketing department.


And the game is not very different. I came the first time in contact with the game in the ARR beta. And i did not like it because it was way too similar to WoW WotLK, which i also did not like. And i hated the long GCD. So i thought, that SQEX has created another WotLK clone (and there were maaaany WoW clones at the time) and i was not interested anymore.

I came back with Shadowbringers because the game reviews were very good.


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[Kolsykol]

I mean, the SQEX's marketing department should notice this, that many people thought, that FF14 is a weeb game. In this case, they should have start some countermeasures against it. But they did nothing. Maybe they did not notice it or they did not care or they thought, that the game trailers are enough. But in all those cases it was a fault. I bet, Asmongold alone brought more new players to the game than SQEX's marketing department.


And the game is not very different. I came the first time in contact with the game in the ARR beta. And i did not like it because it was way too similar to WoW WotLK, which i also did not like. And i hated the long GCD. So i thought, that SQEX has created another WotLK clone (and there were maaaany WoW clones at the time) and i was not interested anymore.

I came back with Shadowbringers because the game reviews were very good.


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Oh I see what you mean now.
Yeah I honestly dunno what they can do about it, I think big Streamers playing the game and loving it was the best advertisement they could've gotten in that regard.
Especially when big WoW Streamers with very negative opinions on it went in and tried it and ended up loving it.
There's quite a lot of people who only play military FPS games and think that anything fantasy is '' cringe '', FFXIV being Japanese and not a gritty European medieval simulator is an even further step.

Everyone I know irl is kinda like that honestly, I think most who play games and the average joe so to speak.
The showrunners for Game of Thrones get memed on a lot because they said that they diminished and cut a lot of the magic in the show because they wanted to appeal to '' football players and moms '', but they're not entirely wrong I think most ppl at least in the West are quite close-minded to fantasy.
If Game of Thrones had been more book accurate then in all honesty I think it wouldn't have become as big, a lot of people would've just tuned out before it truly got going.
And then when you add a foreign element to it too it only adds to that.

The GCD is actually something I see referenced a lot too and I honestly dunno what they could do about that either, it's a bit like the story '' it gets good later ''.
It's hard to prove that to people.