Off Topic Discussion Megathread

[MilkieTea]

Yeah but I think most people who play now never knew about any of this. 2.0 was successful because they made a different game and it was good. All I knew about 1.0 was what youtubers and people who ripped it to shreds said. It was one of those games people loved to hate.
What Square did do well though was communicate how different 2.0 was going to be. They even made A Realm Reborn the prominent title on the box, Final Fantasy was only underneath. This trend actually continued. You see ENDWALKER and then FFXIV online underneath.
A lot of the playerbase now aren't even Final Fantasy fans, a lot of people I've talked to don't know the Crystal Tower is a big FF3 reference. The success just seems to be plain old buzz and word of mouth about the game.

I feel like we've got the same point we're just at different parts of that point ahah.

2.0 onward wouldn't be where it is now without the 1.0 players sticking around during the Free play period and putting enough trust in the devs to be willing to start paying again when they said they'd need to reactivate the subscription model. It honestly wouldn't have made it without that trust. New World doesn't have that - it's a corporate game with zero soul and absolutely no brand identity. My whole point was it feels NW is trying to pull a NW 2.0 ("OOPS, too much, gotta burn it down, pls trust us as we fix it!") But without any of the other reasons XIV 2.0 worked.

[Vyrerus]

I feel like we've got the same point we're just at different parts of that point ahah.

2.0 onward wouldn't be where it is now without the 1.0 players sticking around during the Free play period and putting enough trust in the devs to be willing to start paying again when they said they'd need to reactivate the subscription model. It honestly wouldn't have made it without that trust. New World doesn't have that - it's a corporate game with zero soul and absolutely no brand identity. My whole point was it feels NW is trying to pull a NW 2.0 ("OOPS, too much, gotta burn it down, pls trust us as we fix it!") But without any of the other reasons XIV 2.0 worked.

That's how I felt about Destiny dropping Destiny and moving onto Destiny 2.

[SturmChurro]

Saw that people are basically exploiting for infinite money since it does clientside checks rather than server checks.

Embarassing, really.

Yea, and that's just a minor issue.

Yeah...I figured well before it (New World) was released that it would be a forgotten title a couple of years down the road, maybe sooner. People were getting way too overhyped, but I knew better. Never picked it up to give it a go. (...)

I just wasn't really interested in putting time into a new mmorpg at this time. I have FFXIV, and it looked too much like ESO for me to even bother, when ESO is already established, and I like ES and it's lore. Speaking on that, I'd love to get into Elder Scrolls lore on here, but I am way too afraid of the mods to do so.

I've come to believe that any successful MMO is very much a matter of needing to be in the right place in the right time. I guess it's the lightning in the bottle effect. (...)

Ironically, New World, is/was extremely successful despite it all. If only it hadn't had so many issues. FFXIV could use more competitors, but it needs high quality ones, so that the genre actually benefits.

I'm convinced Amazon looked at the mess that was XIV's 1.0 launch and the subsequent success brought by pulling themselves together and actually caring and said "Let's replicate that... it'll get us money!" Without realizing that the only reason people stuck around was because they had trust in the devs and the devs had WAY too much to lose. Amazon has nothing to lose if NW doesn't succeed. "Meh... a few hundred million gone down the drain. Whatevs, we're a trillion dollar company it doesn't matter to us."

Apparently, it's so bad that the only way to fix it properly would be to like redo it from the ground up. I'm no developer, so someone who is into coding would know a lot more than me on it, of course. It doesn't look like Amazon is abandoning it, supposedly they are hiring tons of devs to try and fix these issues, but they are doing it the hard way. Supposedly, it would take like 10x the amount of work to fix a bug in this state, and doing so will end up breaking more things in the process. Funnily enough, I heard "spaghetti code" was referenced. Deja vu really. They weren't ready for launch.

[Lauront]

I've come to believe that any successful MMO is very much a matter of needing to be in the right place in the right time. I guess it's the lightning in the bottle effect.

I also think that any MMO that doesn't already have a lot of nostalgia to lean upon is going to struggle immensely. I doubt it's a coincidence that the most prominent MMO's I can think of at the moment are FFXIV, GW2, ESO and WoW.

FFXIV naturally has a lot of Final Fantasy titles to send a nod towards. Guild Wars 2 is the sequel to Guild Wars, Elder Scrolls Online references the single player games and shows regions we never got to explore within those same titles. As for WoW...its golden years are very much based around the Warcraft games.

There's players who have never touched the games that inspired those MMO's, of course, but I think the number who stick around due to wanting to see references is not an insignificant amount.

I'd love to see more healthy competition where the MMO market is concerned. Yet any upcoming MMO is going to struggle, I fear, unless it truly brings something ground breaking to the table and doesn't skimp on every aspect of the game. So it needs a good story, an immersive game world, an excellent soundtrack, decent character customisation and above all else it needs to not have any major flaws during the launch period.

I'm keen to see how the Riot Games MMO will fare, as it has now a fairly well known setting to draw on. BP also seems to be in good hands with Namco Bandai. There's some niche MMOs, like Pantheon and AoC, which I'm keeping an eye on. Might try New World once it's matured a bit but I don't think it'll be to my tastes. What would really do it for me would be a successful WH or WH40k MMO.

Ironically, New World, is/was extremely successful despite it all. If only it hadn't had so many issues. FFXIV could use more competitors, but it needs high quality ones, so that the genre actually benefits.

Agreed, it's good for a healthy market and to avoid complacency later down the line.

[MilkieTea]

Apparently, it's so bad that the only way to fix it properly would be to like redo it from the ground up. I'm no developer, so someone who is into coding would know a lot more than me on it, of course. It doesn't look like Amazon is abandoning it, supposedly they are hiring tons of devs to try and fix these issues, but they are doing it the hard way. Supposedly, it would take like 10x the amount of work to fix a bug in this state, and doing so will end up breaking more things in the process. Funnily enough, I heard "spaghetti code" was referenced. Deja vu really. They weren't ready for launch.

God this entire thing just reeks of deja vu. I've been watching the videos on New World by Josh Strife Hayes. I would never play the game but watching the dumpster fire slowly reveal itself to *be* a dumpster fire is extremely interesting.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

God this entire thing just reeks of deja vu. I've been watching the videos on New World by Josh Strife Hayes. I would never play the game but watching the dumpster fire slowly reveal itself to *be* a dumpster fire is extremely interesting.

Ayyy JSH fan!

Yeah, while I had never really planned to try out New World anyway (I've barely got time for this MMO some days, let alone others), watching his vids on the game just convinced me not to touch that thing with a 20 foot pole. I honestly can't say I'm surprised - as Vahlnir said a couple pages back, it's Amazon. I don't trust what's primarily an online shopping conglomerate to make anything close to a good game that they actually care about. The whole thing reeked to me of KR-MMO syndrome from the moment I heard about it, and I swore off KR-MMOs for a reason.

Funny af to watch the thing slowly burning though.

[_Pigzig]

Soo FFV pixel remaster finally got a release date, looking forward to that.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I keep forgetting that I'm not a rabbit anymore and I can wear hats again.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I'm keen to see how the Riot Games MMO will fare, as it has now a fairly well known setting to draw on. BP also seems to be in good hands with Namco Bandai. There's some niche MMOs, like Pantheon and AoC, which I'm keeping an eye on. Might try New World once it's matured a bit but I don't think it'll be to my tastes. What would really do it for me would be a successful WH or WH40k MMO.



Agreed, it's good for a healthy market and to avoid complacency later down the line.

Yeah i’m really looking forward to some of the future mmo’s coming out. XIV really needs some competition soon as it feels like we’re already starting to see a decline in quality of content as of late, just hope another mmo can come around to increase the competition and stakes.

[Vahlnir]

That's how I felt about Destiny dropping Destiny and moving onto Destiny 2.

Destiny 2 had an okay start, but it was just down hill from there. Even after Bungie left Activision, which in my opinion is the best thing they could have done, the quality of the game continued to decline. And it hasn't gotten any better since. They've made a lot of questionable decisions. It's clear that they have no idea what they want the game to be. At this point Destiny 2 is basically free advertising for Warframe. lol