Off Topic Discussion Megathread

[RobynDaBank]

I've never tried beef wellington, so maybe I'll try that .

You Fantasiad?! Thought you were Larirawel for a hot second.

[Larirawiel]

Hihi, Asmongold has some ... trouble with his FF14 audience because they do not like it how he plays the game.

Zepla has made a clip about it.
https://www.twitch.tv/zeplahq/clip/S...Niv_Lcl9xaVvPp


Cheers

[MilkieTea]

Hihi, Asmongold has some ... trouble with his FF14 audience because they do not like it how he plays the game.

Zepla has made a clip about it.
https://www.twitch.tv/zeplahq/clip/S...Niv_Lcl9xaVvPp


Cheers

Annnnd he already talked about it and took back what he said.

[Kolsykol]

You Fantasiad?! Thought you were Larirawel for a hot second.

I am an addict xD...

Hihi, Asmongold has some ... trouble with his FF14 audience because they do not like it how he plays the game.

Zepla has made a clip about it.
https://www.twitch.tv/zeplahq/clip/S...Niv_Lcl9xaVvPp


Cheers

Tbh while yes there's some people who take it too far I am sure ( there's people both on 4Chan and his own Subreddit who have been planning to be disruptive too when he came back to it, they're openly posting about what they're doing ).
I do think he's at fault for the non-troll reactions.
And he kinda acted like a baby about it when people made the request that he'd change the title or at least tell people that it ain't happening when he knows it won't.
He basically said that if people tell him to do something he just refuses to do it, even if it's a perfectly reasonable request it seems.
I dunno but to me that's incredibly immature and a bit silly to act superior about and act like a victim for.

I think it's understandable why people get a bit mad when they're promised a certain game and then six hours of react content into the Stream he does his Allcraft podcast and then ends the Stream, all with '' FFXIV MSQ '' in the title and having hyped it up for almost a year.
People can make all these excuses about '' it's Asmongold you should know he's like that '', but I mean that's a very bizarre excuse imo.
'' Someone is doing something wrong but it's okay because they always do something wrong '', wat?
It's a situation he created himself.

That's my take on it at least, I kinda feel like Asmon as well as the Streamers and a lot of people defending him seem a bit out of touch with the reality of normal people and how much their time actually matters.
Wasting six hours like that is no joke and it's a pretty big deal to most people because they only have so much free time, it's easy to make excuses for it if you're the one making a living off of it.
Even with the argument of '' you can just check the tag '', it's still a waste of time to have to check in constantly to look at the tag.
While changing the title for him takes a few seconds and helps thousands.

Edit: Also I think FFXIV and FFXIV players are being turned into a scapegoat of sorts, the frustration with his stream turning into react meta has been a growing frustration this past year.
I think people having waited so long does make people more mad about it tho and then you also add 4Chan and his own fanbase who hates the game having planned to be disruptive too into the mix.
I mean even his chat spams him about how he's wrong that it just suddenly started happening with FFXIV, ppl started watching him for gaming content and have become increasingly frustrated that 80-100% of his streams now is react stuff.

[MilkieTea]

Edit: Also I think FFXIV and FFXIV players are being turned into a scapegoat of sorts, the frustration with his stream turning into react meta has been a growing frustration this past year.
I think people having waited so long does make people more mad about it tho and then you also add 4Chan and his own fanbase who hates the game having planned to be disruptive too into the mix.
I mean even his chat spams him about how he's wrong that it just suddenly started happening with FFXIV, ppl started watching him for gaming content and have become increasingly frustrated that 80-100% of his streams now is react stuff.

This. He's basically just become a regular react Andy, but with not enough commentary/leaning too much into the Asmongold character for it to even be interesting. When he's playing games - ANY game - it's a lot more lively. But when he's sat there for 6 hours reacting to videos and tweets, I can't help but think "man... I could be watching Vaush or youtube or *anything* else, but I was promised content."

He even took back his manbaby tantrum ("I'm nyot gownna pway FFXIV because EVERYONE'S being mean to mwe wah wah wah") when he took a step back and recognized that this was a problem *he* created and perpetuated.

[Thaciscokidd]

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It's a mixture of both. Ever since he came back from his last break he's been like that long intro then game (probably Elden ring and Johnny's trail being exceptions).

But its a reach saying its mostly 4/5chan(i too have seen the call to arms) doing all the disruptions. Take a look at some of the comments of his FF14 videos on YouTube. They get kinda personal and preachy.

It's not as bad as a certain other streamer's stuff got but both sides look bad.

[Kolsykol]

It's a mixture of both. Ever since he came back from his last break he's been like that long intro then game (probably Elden ring and Johnny's trail being exceptions).

But its a reach saying its mostly 4/5chan(i too have seen the call to arms) doing all the disruptions. Take a look at some of the comments of his FF14 videos on YouTube. They get kinda personal and preachy.

It's not as bad as a certain other streamer's stuff got but both sides look bad.

I didn't say it's mostly 4chan tho.
Altho it shouldn't be underestimated how good they are at egging people on and causing drama, they've done this multiple times on a very large scale even in the mainstream and had global news coverage based on bullcrap they spread ( like the okay hand sign and all that ).
When I read his chat too it's mostly people '' malding about the malders '', not saying that there aren't people going too far but I think it's an EXTREMELY tiny group especially when you also account for the people who are trolling and trying to stirr drama.
I think the overwhelming majority of people are being quite reasonable and just don't want to have their time wasted, that's all really.
It's pretty disingenuous imo that people are trying to spin it into '' FFXIV community so toxic '', it's just ignoring all surrounding context.

It's also easier for Asmon to individually act in a positive manner than tens of thousands or even more people.
It only takes him like two seconds and you save people 6-8 hours of their time.
Then again, Asmon has said before that if something benefits him at the expense of others he'll do it.
If wasting peoples time benefits him financially it wouldn't surprise me too much if he does it intentionally tbh, but I also think that he doesn't get to act like a baby when people rightfully call him out on it.
He's the one benefiting from it while others are only losing, who has the actual right to be upset in the equation?

Edit: There's going to be mixed thoughts on this too but I see a lot of people just saying '' it's his stream '', I mean sure.
But the viewers are the reason why he can stream for a living, and that same argument could be applied to other businesses that people love to criticize ( Asmon himself included ) including game companies.
It's their IP's, their servers etc.

I think that as soon as money get involved things change, in the end of the day it's a job.
No one can tell him what to do the same way no one can tell Blizzard or SE what to do, but it's fair to criticize and have some basic expectations.

[SturmChurro]

I watch, or rather listen to Asmongold on occasion. Mostly just for background noise, and this really only happened after he got into FFXIV last year. I get his videos in my YouTube recommended. Well, I had gotten recommended videos of him way back in like Legion or something, but I never really watched him at all. Personally, I prefer the react content. I don't watch anything with him playing games. I don't really know why I really watch him in the first place, maybe just out of morbid curiosity at times, or boredom. Just something to have on while I afk in the gold saucer or something like that.

[Kolsykol]

I watch, or rather listen to Asmongold on occasion. Mostly just for background noise, and this really only happened after he got into FFXIV last year. I get his videos in my YouTube recommended. Well, I had gotten recommended videos of him way back in like Legion or something, but I never really watched him at all. Personally, I prefer the react content. I don't watch anything with him playing games. I don't really know why I really watch him in the first place, maybe just out of morbid curiosity at times, or boredom. Just something to have on while I afk in the gold saucer or something like that.

I think the fact that so much of it was spent on repeated react content he has already covered a billion times didn't help either.
I dunno how much more about Diablo Immortal or WoW drama I can take lol.

It was like two hours of arguing with McConnel and chat about whether it's right or wrong to pre-order and the mount from the pre-order too.
I've definitely found myself just tuning out from his stream recently and this whole drama with FFXIV and how he acted about it kinda just made me feel like I am kinda just done.
I was really excited for him to stream FFXIV again, I actually enjoyed the Extreme trials a lot there was a ton of great moments.
But I kinda just lost all interest tbh it doesn't feel like a fun event anymore and I cba to deal with 6 hour intros for 1-1½ hour of gameplay.

It's fine if that's what he wants to do but imma just skip then.
I just rly don't like the react meta but it can't be denied that it's super popular.
I mean remember the '' watch parties '' on Twitch lol?
Where people just watched entire seasons of shows and movies etc.
It's pretty shameless.

Edit: WAAAAT, it just started raining lol!
Praise be, something different than the scorching sun.

[RobynDaBank]

>hype up return to a game
>get people who watched you for that game excited and tune back in
>get called out by a mix of actual fans and obvious trolls for not following through on the hype
>label the entire community crap and act like a child ("I won't do it because you "told" me to!! It's your fault, you're the toxic people! GCBTW!")
>OFC have other streamers defend you because they do the same thing

Lol. Kinda sounds like an AAA game company landing in hot water.