Off Topic Discussion Megathread

[Vahlnir]

Starfield looked interesting. I watched the showcase for it live. It seems very much like a sandbox, huge world(s) and everything. One of Bethesda's strengths is ther hand-crafted open worlds, and if they stray from that, the experience could be pretty diluted. Writing isn't really their strong suit, nor is combat, let's be honest. I know they have had procedural generation before with Daggerfall, but I'm just wondering how this will turn out. Hopefully the building and everything else is much more polished since Fallout 4 and 76. Having a fully crewed custom ship seems pretty cool, the idea of the game in general seems really cool - on paper at least. I just wonder how diluted the experience may end up being.

Honestly, my expectations with Bethesda and a lot of gaming companies are pretty low. Starfield will hopefully be good, but I'm guessing that the modding community will have to take it upon themselves to fix whatever is broken and keep the game lively, like they always do. Bethesda is very predictable.

[SturmChurro]

Honestly, my expectations with Bethesda and a lot of gaming companies are pretty low. Starfield will hopefully be good, but I'm guessing that the modding community will have to take it upon themselves to fix whatever is broken and keep the game lively, like they always do. Bethesda is very predictable.

I believe that to be a misconception. People always like to praise modding community of those games, but people don't realize that, while yes there has been a modding community that has gone back decades, these games were more popular via console. Console did not really have mods for the life cycles of the majority of these games. Meaning the majority of people playing the various series played them via console without mods or modder "fixes".

I think my expectations for any particular Bethesda game are pretty realistic for my disposition. People complained about Fallout 76, but I still put a few hundred hours in it (so far), I have several thousand combined in their other titles. I don't see me not doing the same in this game. I just like Bethesda games.

[Vahlnir]

I believe that to be a misconception. People always like to praise modding community of those games, but people don't realize that, while yes there has been a modding community that has gone back decades, these games were more popular via console. Console did not really have mods for the life cycles of the majority of these games. Meaning the majority of people playing the various series played them via console without mods or modder "fixes".

I think my expectations for any particular Bethesda game are pretty realistic for my disposition. People complained about Fallout 76, but I still put a few hundred hours in it (so far), I have several thousand combined in their other titles. I don't see me not doing the same in this game. I just like Bethesda games.

To each their own! We just have different views on Bethesda.

[SturmChurro]

To each their own! We just have different views on Bethesda.

I was just laying out the facts. Elder Scrolls, and Bethesda Fallout, were popularized via people playing through console - without modder fixes. I don't think Skyrim even got console mods until 5 years or so after it's release. Now, granted, yes mods leave these games, like Skyrim, with more of a lasting popularity, but people who claim it's the PC modding community that holds these games up, have the wrong of it, in my opinion.

[Fukuro]

That Overwatch trailer actually hyped me up a bit. Might give it a try again after some years not touching it!

[TheMightyMollusk]

A Bethesda "finished" product is typically two alphas and a beta stacked up in a trenchcoat.

[Vahlnir]

A Bethesda "finished" product is typically two alphas and a beta stacked up in a trenchcoat.

Yep. Nailed it.

[Kolsykol]

A Bethesda "finished" product is typically two alphas and a beta stacked up in a trenchcoat.

Pretty much, I think the ES and Fallout games have been complete garbage for a very very very long time.
I'd argue even Oblivion wasn't that great.

But modders kinda save the games.
I don't think Bethesda deserves the praise they get for that tho, I think they get credit that the modders deserve.
Because ultimately when most people think of these games I think that they think of them in a modded state.
I see this too a lot when people criticize the game people just bring up a mod that fixed the issue ( often times not the most stable tho ).

I mean sure, if a mod fixes a problem that's nice.
But I am not going to account for that when I judge the game itself and Bethesdas work, imma judge it how it is unmodded.

[RyuDragnier]

I'll be honest, haven't liked an Elder Scrolls game since Oblivion, and I haven't liked a Fallout game since New Vegas. The newer games in both series have been rather lackluster...and I'm not bringing ESO into this, its quality changes with the tides.

[Vahlnir]

I'll be honest, haven't liked an Elder Scrolls game since Oblivion, and I haven't liked a Fallout game since New Vegas. The newer games in both series have been rather lackluster...and I'm not bringing ESO into this, its quality changes with the tides.

Oblivion was amazing. In my opinion, that was the last time they really truly made an effort to make an outstanding game. Skyrim was good, don't get me wrong, and the soundtrack was amazing, but it was definitely lacking in more than a few areas compared to its predecessor. Again, my opinion. Fallout 4 was okay too, but it definitely felt like they didn't try very hard with that one either.