Off Topic Discussion Megathread

[SturmChurro]

It's very rare I ever report someone, but if people start arguing or being just generally shitty in party chat in FFXIV I just basically say '' if there's gonna be drama I'll just leave now '' and usually it shuts people up.
And if they continue I just leave.

I play games for fun not to listen to people with ego problems have an internet dick-measuring contest lol.
If I wanted to do that I'd go to Reddit.

I don't really like the idea of someone losing an account over something petty, but at some point some of these people do need a wakeup call, and if getting suspended or a warning isn't enough, then maybe they do deserve to be banned. If someone throws a tantrum over one wipe in an mmo, then maybe them getting banned is doing them a favor. MMOs aren't for them. I am pretty up front when I think a wipe is due to a mistake of mine, I apologize and try to do better. It's really uncalled for to be attacked to the extent I did. Like, I hope this person was a kid, because if they weren't a kid, they really need time to reflect.

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I'll never use 99.9% of the seasonal event stuff, or use it only incredibly infrequently, but I still have to get it just to have it while it's free in-game. I didn't get the full clown gear on either of my characters and I'm now kicking myself for not doing it. I doubt I'll ever wear it, but not having the full set is going to eat at me forever.

Typically the same. I'm the type of person who likes to get things just to have them if I can. To collect them. I do actually use every decoration I get from them in my house. If I do something, I need to completely finish it, it's part of the reason I hate battlepasses and the like in games.

[Kolsykol]

I dunno how people can respond to criticism about the bosses in Elden Ring being poorly designed by essentially saying '' just cheat bro '' lol.
People talk a lot about toxic positivity, the Souls community has to be the definition of that ( I love the Souls games have thousands of hours in them ).

I'd love to see the completion rate of the game if we disregard people who cheesed it whether it be glitches, bugged and/ or overpowered weapons and summons or just blatant cheating.
It's just unfortunate to see so much artifical difficulty that is so unfun.
At least the two last fights aren't like that and are legit fun fights tho.
But just because you can beat a boss doesn't mean that their design is good, I dunno why so many people have issues understanding that...
If cheesing is the norm then there is a problem.

You shouldn't have to pick between infuriating because the boss is clearly cheating and reading your inputs just to screw you, and '' I just summon NPC to tank and press the weapon arts and win ''.
There's weapons that even in PvP just literally hit i-frames lol, I dunno how people can defend it and be in such complete denial about it.

People get really defensive about it because of the whole Easy Mode discussion, but that's not even what the criticism is about.
There's a difference between difficult but fair, and f you.
Sure just throwing two massive SUPER aggressive bosses at you is more difficult than just one, but it's not fun.
Same when bosses just read your input and randomly decides to cheat and get super armor, and so many countless bosses feel like they're Sekiro bosses in a Dark Souls game lol.

Elden Ring is weird, I both hate and love it at the same time.
But it's unfortunate that the boss fights was my least enjoyed part outside of the visuals.

[Vyrerus]

I dunno how people can respond to criticism about the bosses in Elden Ring being poorly designed by essentially saying '' just cheat bro '' lol.
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Sounds like you don't want to adapt your play style to actually give yourself an advantage in the fights. It's no different than any previous souls game. Every boss has buttons to press that you can take advantage of by design. Elden Ring's design is merely one that encourages you to use the Spirit Ash system. That's why there's so many duo bosses, and why so many bosses can turn on a dime. They're all designed to be possible to beat alone, but simultaneously designed for the player to have helpers. Except for the Evergaol bosses, obviously.

It's extra funny that you bring up reading inputs, but say the last two fights are fun. Radagon, second to last boss, literally reads player input, and he has/had a glitch where if you move up to him as the cutscene ends, he will not move, allowing you to cheese him with any attacks that do not cause your character to move (bows, certain spells).

The real problem with the Souls community is this very ideal trail. "I must be able to fight every boss with a wet noodle, making every fight an elegant dance of attrition where I eventually win due to dodge mastery." That is stale and boring, if you ask me. But it's still doable in Elden Ring. Just watch Ongbal or Faraaz Khan.

Almost every boss in Elden Ring can be utterly obliterated with weapons that inflict status ailments. Bleed, Frostbite, Poison, Scarlet Rot, Sleep, and Blackflame. It is designed to be beaten, but to still challenge you while you do it. Are a lot of the duo / gauntlet boss fights bull crap? Yeah. But I assure you that the game provides you the tools you need to defeat all of them. How much they make you swear and sweat is up to you. The design is clearly deliberate in that sometimes they just want to pound you into the ground.

Cheesing is so prevalent due to the expanded mainstream playerbase, but also due to the original playerbase for these games. OG Playerbase for Demon's Souls looked for ways to kill the bosses while expending minimal effort. That was the old mastery. The new mastery(dodge gods) is just as flawed if you obsess over it being the standard. Particularly when From doesn't shy away from fights like Rykard's.

[Kolsykol]

I went ahead and bought TW Warhammer 3, I had put it off since no blood DLC ( yes that's a thing rofl ) and no Immortal Empires ( big sandbox map with ALL of the factions ).
I just really wanted to play the Daemons tho.
It honestly looks pretty silly without blood especially Khorne who are all about blood and violence, you have literal rivers of blood in the background but then the units look like toy figures bumping into each other lol.

Either way I am still enjoying it, I've been thinking of getting into the PvP side of things in the TW Warhammer games too.
I probably have like 2k hours in total in the games but never touched the PvP but I love to watch the tournaments being streamed.

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You're missing my point a bit, I am aware that cheese and such has always existed, just not to the extent as in Elden Ring.
And it also didn't feel borderline mandatory or like you severely gimped yourself as much for not using a handful of weapons.
Radagon does indeed read inputs but he's not behaving like a Sekiro boss ( altho Elden Beast was more fun imo ), I am also aware of the glitch with him too and that you can cheese him but I don't think that Radagon actually incentives you to do so as heavily and severely as other bosses do.
It's not only about reading inputs it's about how they act on it when they do.
There's bosses in the late game especially where you literally have to guess if it's safe or not, because the boss can choose to extend their combo if you hit them and it won't be avoidable you'll be animation locked.
I don't think that leaving it up to RNG whether it's safe to actually attack or not is good design either.
And even if you wait for their full combo to be done 100% they can choose to instantly start a new one immediately when you hit them and you're just screwed.

I am not saying that it isn't designed to be this way what I am saying is that it's poor design and it SEVERELY punishes you for playing melee with almost every weapon.
And when people criticize the boss design the response is often '' just use this glitch bro '', which is totally missing the entire point and is essentially admitting that yes the bosses are poorly designed and instead you should be using glitches or all of these new things so that you don't actually have to do the fight.
People shouldn't feel compelled to go and use a weapon that shoots a laser that kills bosses in seconds after they entered the room or to use a glitch or shoot bosses from miles away without aggroing them to death.

I mean... "I must be able to fight every boss with a wet noodle, making every fight an elegant dance of attrition where I eventually win due to dodge mastery."
Yes?
Cheesing and completely borked weapons, summoning etc has been there to help people who aren't very good or are just having a rough time with a certain boss.
There's not a problem with that, there is a problem when the devs design things to heavily incentivize it with artificial difficulty.
Artificial difficulty is rarely a good thing imo and Elden Ring is full to the brim with it.

Edit: Even a lot of these dodge gods so to speak still have to spend like 9 minutes on a boss WITH Bleed weapons and aren't actually dodging the boss a lot of the time, but are just baiting attacks and sprinting away.
And these are top tier players.

When you say '' encourage '' I think you're putting it very mildly and are being incredibly generous.
I fail to see how what you're describing is more stale and boring too than running in with a Mimic and spamming left trigger, it's essentially just borderline enforcing ranged builds or a handful of weapons it's actually MORE limiting.

[hagare]

Sakaguchi commenting on the $12.000 1/6 Tera magitek statue
Are you ok SE? ROFLMAO

[SturmChurro]

Miqo'te is second to none for casual glamours. Everytime I switch I always go wild with random glamours. I need to redo a lot of glams as well. I'm hoping the summer glams this year look pretty good (if we get any). I think I saw a youtube thumbnail with some upcoming gears that looked kind of good.. Looked like some nice new summer glams. I might have to stay miqo'te for those..

[SturmChurro]

I really hate it when my outlook on many people in real life turns out to be true. I generally am very cautious around others, and from my life experiences, I typically expect the worst from people, and they usually exceed what I expected to be the 'worst'. My grandmother came to me today, crying, about how she didn't want to tell me, but she has been being used, for her money - which I told her is exactly what would happen prior. I won't go into specifics, but it really doesn't feel good when you are right about something like this.

[SturmChurro]

If this game had more *quality* outfits, and collectibles to earn, that would be more than enough to keep me playing regularly. I just want to glamour, and work towards glamours, and some other collectibles like mounts truthfully. It'd have to have some sort of lasting content to facilitate this however. Those glamours I saw in a YouTube thumbnail, really got me excited to play, just for all that. I am not a hard player to please when it comes down to it. Just the fact that I like Lost Ark, and dumped $150 this month in anticipation of skins, is all anyone needs to know what I like in these kind of games.

[Cincierta]

I've come to the conclusion that 99.99% of the people out there clean their teeth before heading to the dentist.

I probably should stop thinking hard about some things in life.

[AziraSyuren]

I still think Elden Ring has the worst design in FromSoft's catalogue, and I'm someone who has no problem using broken or "unfair" tactics in order to win.

I like being able to fight bosses in many different ways without feeling completely overwhelmed, and so far, Elden Ring is their only game that's failed at that for me. Everything else about the game is wonderful and a huge step forward, especially their level design, which is finally back to being as good as Dark Souls 1's. But their boss design? Trash. Only DS2's was worse.