Off Topic Discussion Megathread

[Kolsykol]

It's not the slider I have a problem with - you can already have big booba in PSO2 anyways. It's the fact that you have to guy a crapton of gacha for a chance to get it lmao. It's a "reward" for basically whaling out

But yeah, tbh I never the appeal of extremely huge booba.. for the most part it just always look so tacky and out of place, especially when people tend to make their characters skinnier lol, but to each their own. :P FTR I don't think anyone made it too much of a social issue, but "50% chest boost" just kills me lol.

Yeah I just meant more in general not you specifically.
I mean I see even just above average chest sizes get very extreme reactions and people losing their minds over it all the time, like yesterday I saw people on the FFXIV reddit lose their shit about this Y'shtola fanart https://twitter.com/BellPepperArt/st...764867/photo/1 .
( Look at the artists other work too, *she* mainly does hot fanart of the male FFXIV characters )
And people were talking about her as if she was a literal monster and like this was on the same level as in the PSO2 pic.

I think the PSO2 example enters the area of bizarre, I do think it can work sometimes tho I think the Sorceress in Dragons Crown works for example because it kinda just blends into the whole artstyle where EVERYONE has caricaturized physiques.
All of the animations too are heavily stylized.
*PLEASE GIVE US A PC VERSION I BEG*
But again people REALLY zero:ed in on the Sorceress even then.

I mean I don't look at it any differently than people creating abominations in Souls games or if they had sold the same for male characters but with synthol '' muscles ''.
I think that what makes it look so bizarre to me too is how there's no gravity there lol, it's like two hard torpedos just protruding out.
But yeah the gacha is what makes it really bad.

I might be one of the most late people to hop onto the Elder Scrolls bandwagon ever... and honestly I really got to see what people like about the universe. OFC I played Skyrim, and it really sucked me in - I've paused playing it for Witcher 3 right now, but I still miss my master mage Livia. I married her to the blacksmith in Riften, adopted the flower-selling girl from Windhelm, and got a cozy home also in Riften. Was trying to do all the quests and dungeons that I could. I think the Daedra lore to me is sooo fascinating. Each while being stereotypical bring something new to the table; I always look forward to starting the quests and submitting myself to their will. Got nearly all the artifacts before I stopped.

I keep wondering if there's lore books covering the Daedra. I could just read the books in-game, but that's not really my thing to be honest.

The lore definitely seems like one of the strong points of Elder Scrolls.
Tbh when I played the games I was much younger and I didn't care much about that stuff I was a '' skipper '' lol.
So even tho I played the games A LOT, I basically don't have much of a clue about the lore.

Skyrim sucked me in when it first came out too but I've had a hard time going back to it, even with modding it out like crazy I tend to do the first quest to find the tablet and hand it in and kill the first dragon then I sorta just lose interest.

[Padudu]

Yeah I just meant more in general not you specifically.
I mean I see even just above average chest sizes get very extreme reactions and people losing their minds over it all the time, like yesterday I saw people on the FFXIV reddit lose their shit about this Y'shtola fanart https://twitter.com/BellPepperArt/st...764867/photo/1 .
( Look at the artists other work too, *she* mainly does hot fanart of the male FFXIV characters )
And people were talking about her as if she was a literal monster and like this was on the same level as in the PSO2 pic.

I think the PSO2 example enters the area of bizarre, I do think it can work sometimes tho I think the Sorceress in Dragons Crown works for example because it kinda just blends into the whole artstyle where EVERYONE has caricaturized physiques.
All of the animations too are heavily stylized.
*PLEASE GIVE US A PC VERSION I BEG*
But again people REALLY zero:ed in on the Sorceress even then.

I mean I don't look at it any differently than people creating abominations in Souls games or if they had sold the same for male characters but with synthol '' muscles ''.
I think that what makes it look so bizarre to me too is how there's no gravity there lol, it's like two hard torpedos just protruding out.
But yeah the gacha is what makes it really bad.

Yeah I figured, I just wanted to make sure that I'm not booba shaming lool

I think in general it's just a tasteful thing. Cleavage, huge knockers, ect are seen as more porny and Y'Shtola is.. well, not portrayed that way at all. Mix in the fact that she's a lot of people's waifus, and BAM, there's that discourse. Don't mess with people's vision of waifus or else you'll get it..

I checked out her other drawings though, holy crap she's amazing! That's wonderful work right there, especially the male ones which I see why you've now pointed out :P

Dragon's Crown was just meant for it, tbh. The art was just there for it.. which I think S.E trademarked Tactics: Ogre VERY recently which is related to Dragon's Crown iirc, right? That also has a fair share of cleavage "done right" IMO.

And tbf, with the Sorceress I can't knock people for commenting. It was very uh.. out there lol, despite how fitting. But overly beefy guys has always been pretty funny to look at - I mean just look at how ridiculous most of the Street Fighter roster looks. Ryu is a HULK, a walking mass of pure muscle that breaks cement whenever he walks.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Invasions in Souls games are basically just cheese incarnate I always play offline, but it makes for pretty good Youtube content.
I like watching funny compilations of people getting creative with it.

It's particularly egregious in Elden Ring due to the open world aspect of it and how co-op works. A lot of people defend it to the death as being "part of the Souls experience, just git gud", but when the game was advertised for its cooperative aspect (play with friends, overcome challenges, explore a vast beautiful world! that sort of thing) and any time you want to co-op, you run the risk of some coward with the newest OP PvP build coming into your world while you're just trying to PvE with a friend, that is not enjoyable gameplay.

I feel like it was shoehorned in just because "it's part of the Souls identity" and they didn't really give thought to how it would actually work with the new game style... Even the in-game 'lore explanation' for it existing is... tenuous at best? Volcano Manor made more sense than Varre's questline, at least.

'Course, on the other side of the fence, you have Hosts who jump into an impossible-to-reach-on-foot place with Torrent, open themselves up for co-op and use the Taunter's Tongue in the hopes of frustrating Invaders enough for them to jump off and leave a portion of their runes behind for the Host's "victory". That is equally as egregious as some mouthbreather coming in to ruin someone's leveling/PvE co-op experience, lol.

[Kolsykol]

First thing I notice when I login to GW2 again is how poor I am lol.
Doesn't matter what MMO I play, forever poor.

[Kolsykol]

Btw damn, I just now came to think about it again since I've been thinking a lot about RPG's recently.
Wtf happened with Vampire Bloodlines 2 o_O???
I loved the first game so much, just the setting and overall tone was great.
But then the project just... Died.

Some say it's cancelled others not.
It just totally disappeared off my radar, it looked great based on what I saw leading up until the supposed cancellation.

huge knockers, ect are seen as more porny

I just kinda take issue with it, both because I think it actually does genuinely lead to real women who are well-endowed being inherently sexualized against their will etc but also because it's a quite narrow view on sexuality.
It's not exactly like even flat chests aren't seen as sexual by quite a lot of people.
The same goes for muscular or big women, a lot of the same people who will moralize when it's about large breasts will then be even more '' thirsty '' about them and act like it's fine and totally different.
Imo women should be able to exist and not be modesty incarnate or have no or average/ bellow-average breasts without being reduced down to their chest.
Men are able to be acknowledged as whole people and still run around looking like Adonis with their shirts off casually.
I think it's kinda important to push back and question those things.

But yeah I did see some people say that they thought it was out of character, I personally don't think it matters much in fanart I mean I'd argue a lot of her other art could be considered so as well.
But I doubt if the art in question had been of Estinien that people would've complained about that, I also think she's portrayed as quite sassy ingame and she's the only character that had a romantic subplot and I mean it's her ingame outfit.

As a side note on Street Fighter, they intentionally made the hands and feet enormous :P.
I play a lot of fighting games it's my favorite genre I've never really seen that before, but they said that it was to make it easier to see and register the animations.
I guess it kinda works but damn they're HUGE.

[Theodric]

I imagine breasts are considered sexual because the majority of people admiring them do so for sexual reasons. I rather suspect the people going 'MOMMY MILKERS' every time a busty female character shows up on screen are not doing so because they're tastefully admiring the female form. I also think the alleged double standard of men exposing their bare chests is balanced out by pretty much every game - even many of those rated for adults - refusing to depict authentic male anatomy. Just look at how few games have an option for a tasteful bulge or body hair but will spend a lot of time making sure that the female models look near perfect and appealing from every possible angle.

[Kolsykol]

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I think this is moreso womens bodies than breasts specifically, tbh I see people spam '' booba '' in Twitch chat regardless of chest size they just do it when a woman is on screen altogether whether real or fictional.
I think it's cringe and really annoying, but that's Twitch chat and Redditors in a nutshell.
If you looked at their chat logs it'd probably not be the only cringe thing they spam.

I also think that a bulge and breasts are totally different things that can't be compared, not only because one is actual genitals and breasts are a secondary sex characteristic.
Which also includes male chests and abs for instance ( and it's breasts specifically too, not only large breasts ).
But also because just from a visual pov you're not going to see how hung a guy is on the outside while breasts are going to be more noticeable.

I actually do agree with body hair but in the reverse, men in media are usually portrayed as totally hairless both to emphasize their perfect physiques but also because it's typically considered to be more appealing.
They're shaved in media to emphasize what is at least assumed to be the most conventional secondary sex characteristics for men and bring it out.

I think that this is more a matter of perception and societal norms, you don't see a lot of people openly admire mens bodies in sexual ways because homophobia isn't exactly a solved issue but also it has only very recently improved.
And men are generally more insecure about that than women are, men don't want to be '' perceived as gay '' and that affects how they'll talk about it and media they consume.
A woman drawing sexy fanart or liking it on Twitter of female characters is going to be viewed differently than a guy doing it of male characters.
And there's also more societal pressure on women to be modest, so women aren't going to be as vocal about it as men are who will just openly screech about it and spam '' booba ''.

And I also think that there is a problem that because the people you refered to exist some people think that therefore the only reason for large breasts to exist in media is always for that reason.
It's the same with revealing outfits too, it always gets reduced down and assumed that you can't just like it but there must be some perverted reason behind it.
And it's the same with art too, a lot of women and gay men will draw art like that even tho they have no sexual interest in women.
But people will still assume the most stereotypical thing about them, and when pointed out to them that they're wrong they'll repeat the same mistake over and over again.

[SturmChurro]

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Yeah, just having a woman on screen is more than enough. Heck, they don't even have to be on screen, if a girl talks, you'll see some massive waves of cringe, from what I've seen from Twitch. I do think there is a double standard with female and male characters in games. Companies are actively making female characters hideous, ugly, covered up. While male characters will most likely look pretty normal at the very least. When it comes to revealing pieces, you do see male characters literally looking like Adonis. We are talking Six-pack abs, good looking, etc.. and you don't really see too many (if any) calls to censor any of this.

[SturmChurro]

I get huge into true crime content and stuff like that when I am grinding in mmorpgs. Watching/listening to hours of police interrogations.

[Caurcas]

I imagine breasts are considered sexual because the majority of people admiring them do so for sexual reasons. I rather suspect the people going 'MOMMY MILKERS' every time a busty female character shows up on screen are not doing so because they're tastefully admiring the female form. I also think the alleged double standard of men exposing their bare chests is balanced out by pretty much every game - even many of those rated for adults - refusing to depict authentic male anatomy. Just look at how few games have an option for a tasteful bulge or body hair but will spend a lot of time making sure that the female models look near perfect and appealing from every possible angle.

Well, there are going to be more of the latter rather than the former consuming such media. Best to look for speciality/niche content for the former.