Off Topic Discussion Megathread

[Vahlnir]

Captain Grimm has made a new short video about healers an cutscenes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG-F32ScKUE





Cheers

This one was gold.

[Larirawiel]

OK ... this would explain why the WoW story has become so bad:
https://youtu.be/tN0CzpbZAbM

Maybe WoW 10 will be good again. *looks at the bottle filled with copium*



Cheers

[RobynDaBank]

The whole Teldrassil burning... really got to me in a bad way, when I was playing WoW for a little bit. I love Night Elves, and it honestly just seemed like a 1 + 1; why be surprised that players playing a race of a certain faction are annoyed that their faction's capital was just... burned down? What a convenient excuse that the main sentinels were elsewhere and nothing could be done. Tyrande and Malfurion were reduced to nothing in that moment. I get that in fiction some convenient things need to happen "because the story/movie wouldn't happen otherwise". But... Teldrassil. Teldrassil. A more emotional me would say it's almost making a mockery of Alliance vs Horde PvP.

I didn't watch that T&E video because I really dislike Taliesin. Would rather not give the channel engagement so I've no clue what this revelation regarding Afrasiabi is. Just makes me kinda eh even now that entire capitals and cities get reduced to rubble and it never gets addressed. No "restoration" style side arc. Regions said to have been taken over by the Aliiance still have Horde minions firing cannons and attacking villages. Meh.

[Kolsykol]

I don't believe the Afraisabi conspiracy at all, it's not just Sylvanas and Sylvanas is consistent with the overall writing it's also not like it got better without him.
It really just seems like people using him as a scapegoat imo, don't get me wrong he was horrible but that doesn't mean he was at fault for everything.

It's also not just WoW either for that matter, Blizzard games in general have been pretty poorly written for a very long time.
The talent that made Blizzard great has simply left.
They can't even put together a Warcraft lore book properly without screwing up and blatantly not even being aware of their own lore.

I really dislike Taliesin.

All I know about him is that everything I've seen of him online on Twitter has been him acting like a complete arrogant and smug asshole, the usual stereotypical Twitter bs.
Other than that I find his exaggeratedly forced smile to be really creepy, it's so obviously not real it makes me uneasy.
Especially when they actually do behave like assholes which makes it even more obviously fake there's something really creepy and twisted about it imo.

[Larirawiel]

If you do not like T&E then there is Bellular:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24dtddMT07k



And for me it is plausible that Afrasiabi could be responsible for this. He had a "rockstar" status at Blizzard, he was part of the Cosby suite and he was very high ranked. Maybe he had good ideas with and after the Teldrassil blowup. And maybe he has conviced other employees with "rockstar" status and this "LET US DO SOMETHING COMPLETELY CRAZY"-thing went through. But after this he was removed from the company and the current story team has no idea what to do with the story.

I suppose, they will retcon the Shadowlands story completely and lock it away. So it will become an optional level content. They have possibilities to do this in the game. The bronze dragonswarm could "fix" a damaged timeline etc.




Cheers

[Kolsykol]

If you do not like T&E then there is Bellular:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24dtddMT07k



And for me it is plausible that Afrasiabi could be responsible for this. He had a "rockstar" status at Blizzard, he was part of the Cosby suite and he was very high ranked. Maybe he had good ideas with and after the Teldrassil blowup. And maybe he has conviced other employees with "rockstar" status and this "LET US DO SOMETHING COMPLETELY CRAZY"-thing went through. But after this he was removed from the company and the current story team has no idea what to do with the story.

I suppose, they will retcon the Shadowlands story completely and lock it away. So it will become an optional level content. They have possibilities to do this in the game. The bronze dragonswarm could "fix" a damaged timeline etc.




Cheers

I think the '' rockstar mentality '' is honestly quite widespread.
I don't think it's just Blizzard either but I think at Blizzard it's a mentality a large portion of the devs have.
It makes sense on some level, Blizzard was probably still a pretty huge deal and well respected when they were hired.
It probably strokes your ego a bit to get hired by a company like Blizzard.

I actually don't think Teldrassil being burnt down was bad in and of itself, Night Elves were my favorite in WoW too my first character back in WoW was a Night Elf Hunter ( yes very original lel ).
But I thought it was a cool and risky thing, I like when they do bold decisions that have a lasting impact.
The issue was just how it was handled but I don't think that the idea itself was bad.

It does upset some people I mean every time the Horde or Alliance takes a L people get mad about it out of faction loyalty too.
But I think that if you listen too much to that it holds you back from doing interesting things.

[Garet]

I think the '' rockstar mentality '' is honestly quite widespread.
I don't think it's just Blizzard either but I think at Blizzard it's a mentality a large portion of the devs have.
It makes sense on some level, Blizzard was probably still a pretty huge deal and well respected when they were hired.
It probably strokes your ego a bit to get hired by a company like Blizzard.

I actually don't think Teldrassil being burnt down was bad in and of itself, Night Elves were my favorite in WoW too my first character back in WoW was a Night Elf Hunter ( yes very original lel ).
But I thought it was a cool and risky thing, I like when they do bold decisions that have a lasting impact.
The issue was just how it was handled but I don't think that the idea itself was bad.

It does upset some people I mean every time the Horde or Alliance takes a L people get mad about it out of faction loyalty too.
But I think that if you listen too much to that it holds you back from doing interesting things.

It cannot be helped. rockstar mentality exists in all corporations. It is a result of competition where naturally the best and smartest will be rockstars. The problem lies on how these rockstars uses their status though. And it seems a lot of the executive caught in the scandal at blizz used theirs for the wrong things.

[Larirawiel]

I think the '' rockstar mentality '' is honestly quite widespread.
I don't think it's just Blizzard either but I think at Blizzard it's a mentality a large portion of the devs have.
It makes sense on some level, Blizzard was probably still a pretty huge deal and well respected when they were hired.
It probably strokes your ego a bit to get hired by a company like Blizzard.

I actually don't think Teldrassil being burnt down was bad in and of itself, Night Elves were my favorite in WoW too my first character back in WoW was a Night Elf Hunter ( yes very original lel ).
But I thought it was a cool and risky thing, I like when they do bold decisions that have a lasting impact.
The issue was just how it was handled but I don't think that the idea itself was bad.

It does upset some people I mean every time the Horde or Alliance takes a L people get mad about it out of faction loyalty too.
But I think that if you listen too much to that it holds you back from doing interesting things.

It seems, that the "rockstar" mentality at Blizzard was very special. Many "rockstars" were ex-Everquest hardcore players. Those connections from these days outlasted for decades. Afrasiabi has/had a huge alcohol problem, but he was still employed etc. If you have such a community on the top of a company then some very stupid decisions can happen.

And the Teldrassil blowup could be interesting in the story. So i can imagine that some other people in the company gave their OK for this. But then Afrasiabi was removed. And the current team tried to repair the mess and they had no clue what to do. There was another information that the concept of Zovaal/The Jailer did not exist until the second half of BfA. It seems, that they introduced this guy very quickly and it would also explain why the Zovaal <-> Sylvannas interaction is so illogical and make no sense in the end. Afrasiabi tried to destroy Sylvannas as a character. He wanted revenge, because Dave Kosak destroyed Garrosh. And the current team tries to redeem Sylvannas. That's really weird.


Cheers

[Vyrerus]

Sounds like Cubicles of Warcraft!

[Rinhi]

I'm not gonna quote an earlier post, but mods randomly removing several pages worth of discussions without a peep is really annoying and I'd say even bad, considering the following;
the common theme with the removed discussions and posts seems to be people having had bad experiences with the community and posting about it, which is really f'd up considering that those voices and experiences get silenced by the official moderators on the official game forum, lmao
obviously don't have to tell anyone that there was nothing TOS breaking in any of those posts, anyway