Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

[Yencat]

I think there will be a major fit if there's not even a mention of bun and cat boy updates. Even just a "We're working on it" is enough for me (it'd an obvious answer that wouldn't appease many but lowest rung on a ladder is still a step up)

You're right that it wouldn't appease many because that's basically what they already said in the art stream, repeating it again wouldn't be much of a step up.

[HollyJollyPaca]

You're right that it wouldn't appease many because that's basically what they already said in the art stream, repeating it again wouldn't be much of a step up.

If they have nothing else, an apology would be needed. Not that I think game devs gotta be apologizing for everything but knowing the company and Yoshi-P, that would be something in their line of thinking. But please....please just word that we're getting updates is good. Don't gotta have the physical proof (please though) just tell us something is going to happen and soon.

[Yencat]

If they have nothing else, an apology would be needed. Not that I think game devs gotta be apologizing for everything but knowing the company and Yoshi-P, that would be something in their line of thinking. But please....please just word that we're getting updates is good. Don't gotta have the physical proof (please though) just tell us something is going to happen and soon.

Oh yeah, it would definitely be better than just ignoring it altogether again, it just rings a bit hollow if we got another "we're working on it please look forward to it".

If they have nothing concrete to show then ideally I'd like them to go into a bit of detail about just what their plan is for each race individually.

It's been brought up in this thread before that the few times they've spoken about it they talk about them as a unit, when both races have different issues and a different 'design philosophy', for lack of a better word.

[Belauron]

I'm going into watching the letter, under the impression that nothing will be mentioned about either race, at least then if something as weak as "We're working on it" is mentioned it a bitter yet somewhat pleasant surprise.

[Belauron]

I think the reason hrothgar are like that is because the developers were attempting to make a race that is more familiar to players of WoW who played such races and wanted an analog in FFXIV. It doesn't really have anything to do with lore and has much more to do with the fact that ARR was built from the beginning to take parts of other successful MMORPGs and staple them in and the dev team has continued to do so since.

I feel that's a bit to deep, yes WoW's Orcs are hunched over, however, they now have a straight back option which came in BFA i think it was. . so that making it familiar for wow players doesn't really work

For me, it's a bit more simple than that tho, they have a hunch else they just a Roegadyn with a cat face..
just a shame we won't be able to get a /Posture or a tick box on the Aesthetician

[MikkoAkure]

I feel that's a bit to deep, yes WoW's Orcs are hunched over, however, they now have a straight back option which came in BFA i think it was. . so that making it familiar for wow players doesn't really work

For me, it's a bit more simple than that tho, they have a hunch else they just a Roegadyn with a cat face..
just a shame we won't be able to get a /Posture or a tick box on the Aesthetician

Yoshi-P has already said that he's a WoW player and it's very evident a lot of the game mechanics come straight out of GW2 and WoW. FATEs are basically the exact same as the mechanic in GW2, and before Yoshi-P took over, FF had nothing like the dungeons, raids, and trials we have now, which are apparently more like WoW than FFXI. Then there's also the duty finder, which is apparently another thing taken from WoW. Part of the reason ARR did so well compared to 1.0 is that Yoshi-P, unlike the previous director, is an MMO player and he took everything that worked from other MMOs and wrapped it up into a single package.

I didn't know that orcs were hunched over, but aren't the tauren a hunched race? I would think that the hrothgar being more beastly are meant to fill the "hunched beast race" niche like WoW's tauren and GW2's charr. This is what Yoshi-P had to say on hrothgar:

After seeing the positive reception of the Lupin characters we introduced in Stormblood, we concluded that, for the long-term health of FFXIV, it was important to implement a greater variety of character types beyond the traditionally beautiful in a future expansion. In truth, we had considered adding more beastly characters long before, and since this was possibly our last chance to do so, we decided that we should—much like we did with the Viera—in the interests of expanding the lore and the choices available to players.
Character creation is about providing players with options, and while there’s no telling how many people will utilize these options, we also believe that there is value simply in having them exist—in empowering people to fill the world with greater variety.

I also don't understand why people keep making roegadyn comparisons. Every other race in the game except for lalafell use the hyur skeleton. Yet no one calls the other races "long hyur" or "hyur but with cat ears".

[Allegor]

they have a hunch else they just a Roegadyn with a cat face..

Little pet peeve of mine anytime someone says that cuz actually they may use the same skeleton but are visibly different than Roes - broad shoulders and thinner waist, making their torso more triangular than literal rectangles, thicker thighs, shorter and more toned arms, smaller hands - all around more proportional but keeping the "bara bait" theme, there's a reason Hroths killed the male Roe population lol

Anyways, I'm fairly certain the hunch is to make them look more feral, after all, they're anthropomorphic cat people, not humans with catlike features, and even in-universe were confused for a beast tribe.

I also highly doubt WoW had anything to do there, specially considering almost every orc/undead/tauren/troll has asked for a straight back option practically since the game started, so it'd be both ironic and dumb to copy the one thing that was almost unanimously disliked by the playerbase.

[DynnDiablos]

My hope is at least the Hrothgar and Viera hairstyles get expanded like they promised. It is very unfortunate that they still are stuck with so many limitations. Viera are in a much better position than Hrothgar but still....2 years and nothing. If they didn't truly want to treat the races the same as the others they should have never been added in the first place.

[TheMightyMollusk]

At this point, I have mild hopes and low expectations. If there's no word at all, I might just bite the bullet and go for a fantasia. Just debating if I want to go back to Au Ra, or maybe try maining a Miqo'te for a while.

[ItMe]

Just debating if I want to go back to Au Ra, or maybe try maining a Miqo'te for a while.

Why not Lala? : )