Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

[Yencat]

Wonder if most people realize that all the headgear in that Dng works on them ... I'm the only Viera I've seen wear those hats.

looks utterly trash on Viera

GEE WHIZZ, I wonder why no one wears them if they look trash?

Good to see you're back to your old tricks though, where you're the only one that truly appreciates Viera and everyone else is just playing Barbie's Dream House.

[Raikai]

SE actually did make all of the Tower hats work

As expected, they look fine on Hrothgar (if not a bit large) ... looks utterly trash on Viera. Wonder if most people realize that all the headgear in that Dng works on them ... I'm the only Viera I've seen wear those hats.

Makes sense though, these are dress up dolls to people and most people playing Viera prob don't want to make a vaguely Soviet military hat a part of their glam. They want the straw hats and Red Mage hats and other cute/ pretty things that will show hair.
SE should hire me, coulda told them years ago that people woulda been fine with "long eared Miqote" instead of going for full Fran Viera if they could only make hats that take away all the hair "work" on them.

They went for the easiest route just letting ears clip through. I'm fine with it to be honest, is not that glaring of bad. At least is better than not having them at all.

However it irks me that there are a TON of old headgear like bandanas, turbans, the calfskin cap, some simpler hats that could have the ears just clip through without issue at all, and would look better than those hats.

[Yencat]

They went for the easiest route just letting ears clip through. I'm fine with it to be honest, is not that glaring of bad. At least is better than not having them at all.

However it irks me that there are a TON of old headgear like bandanas, turbans, the calfskin cap, some simpler hats that could have the ears just clip through without issue at all, and would look better than those hats.

Because they would actually have to rework our hair for those other hats you mentioned and they don't seem to want to do that, clearly they don't mind ears clipping so it has to be the hair.

Like you said it looks fine but the only reason the Tower hats show up for us is because they remove the entire hairstyle, we already had working headgear that does that so it's hardly news-worthy or deserving of a round of applause that they "made it work".

[LuciaMirain]

They went for the easiest route just letting ears clip through. I'm fine with it to be honest, is not that glaring of bad. At least is better than not having them at all.

However it irks me that there are a TON of old headgear like bandanas, turbans, the calfskin cap, some simpler hats that could have the ears just clip through without issue at all, and would look better than those hats.

It is because those hats replace the hair. That is why they work. And also look bad. The turbans and bandanas would force SE to make viera hat hair, and they have no interest in that.

[Raikai]

It is because those hats replace the hair. That is why they work. And also look bad. The turbans and bandanas would force SE to make viera hat hair, and they have no interest in that.

Oh I see... I forgot that they would need the "hat friendly" version of the hair underneath, which one would suspect they didn't make, at least for the unique base hairstyles.

[Quintessa]

SE actually did make all of the Tower hats work

Enabling a flag to allow the race to use it while not properly altering the mesh is not the same as making it work. It's just shutting us up about it instead.

[reivaxe]

Enabling a flag to allow the race to use it while not properly altering the mesh is not the same as making it work. It's just shutting us up about it instead.

No, they did "make them work". I'm fairly sure there's more than enabling a flag to make a face cover fit a Hrothgar's face this well (Looks pretty good to me). I've been keeping track of it to some extent, Hrothgar use to only be able to wear bucket helms that fully covered the face, now they've made more and more that can show their face. Hoods on Viera have also gotten better I think, less "bulbous head" and more skull fitting.

And ... what exactly do you want them to do?
Make different ear hole configurations to hats to properly accommodate their 4+ ear options? That's at least 4 times more work than any other race gets for things to fit their head.

The way I see it, unless they devote a f-ton of time to this, hats are just gonna look trash for Viera.
They would have to either figure out a way to make ear holes for each pair of ears (Could very well break a hat's design. Underwear on the head look, oof), find a way to move the ears around to accommodate certain hat styles, turn the ears OFF (an under-rated option. Many people HATE clipping and would love to be able to turn tails off for this reason) or just let them look trash as they clip through.

I fear that this pressure to alleviate this pain point for Viera and Hrothgar players will simply result in more hats like this and the Reaper hat that completely takes away the hair (I really hope that style of hat isn't their forever trademark) and more "Non-hat" headgear like the raid gear/ Sage eye thing, so that these players are not left out.
It's far less work to just make more hats like those that everyone can wear than it would be to figure out how to fix a core design problem that they foolishly based these races upon.

[Chie_M]

And ... what exactly do you want them to do?
Make different ear hole configurations to hats to properly accommodate their 4+ ear options? That's at least 4 times more work than any other race gets for things to fit their head.

I mean, it'd be nice if the hats didn't clip through the ear fluffies.

[Akimori]

've been keeping track of it to some extent, Hrothgar use to only be able to wear bucket helms that fully covered the face, now they've made more and more that can show their face. Hoods on Viera have also gotten better I think, less "bulbous head" and more skull fitting.

The bucket helms also shrunk their heads. Its like they went "yea, can't see the face, so lets just use a model thats not even intended for their head and not fix it either.

I have nightmares about how my hrothgar's nose is stuffed into a helmet that not edited for his muzzle

[Raikai]

No, they did "make them work". I'm fairly sure there's more than enabling a flag to make a face cover fit a Hrothgar's face this well (Looks pretty good to me). I've been keeping track of it to some extent, Hrothgar use to only be able to wear bucket helms that fully covered the face, now they've made more and more that can show their face. Hoods on Viera have also gotten better I think, less "bulbous head" and more skull fitting.

And ... what exactly do you want them to do?
Make different ear hole configurations to hats to properly accommodate their 4+ ear options? That's at least 4 times more work than any other race gets for things to fit their head.

The way I see it, unless they devote a f-ton of time to this, hats are just gonna look trash for Viera.
They would have to either figure out a way to make ear holes for each pair of ears (Could very well break a hat's design. Underwear on the head look, oof), find a way to move the ears around to accommodate certain hat styles, turn the ears OFF (an under-rated option. Many people HATE clipping and would love to be able to turn tails off for this reason) or just let them look trash as they clip through.

I fear that this pressure to alleviate this pain point for Viera and Hrothgar players will simply result in more hats like this and the Reaper hat that completely takes away the hair (I really hope that style of hat isn't their forever trademark) and more "Non-hat" headgear like the raid gear/ Sage eye thing, so that these players are not left out.
It's far less work to just make more hats like those that everyone can wear than it would be to figure out how to fix a core design problem that they foolishly based these races upon.

They made it work because those Garlean hats do not need to show any hair underneath, which shows another problem that (at least the exclusive hairstyles) got no "hat friendly" versions made yet. So I'd presume the only effort was a step required for any other race, which is to make the 3d mesh fit the head shape correctly, and just enabling the ears to clip through. Which is fine, as those hats have flat top surfaces. In fact, a lot of miqo'te ears also clip through old items when they didn't bother to design holes.

However, by this logic above, I don't understand why there are still a ton of headgear that isn't available, such as the Helm of Light, or the Behemoth Helm, the Odin helm... or even the Heavensturn helms. None of those show any hair underneath. Some of them have flat tops, which the ears could just as easily clip through. Others, given the bulky shape, they could just hide the ears. They did that with some Pagh'lthan helmets.

Truth be told... Since the new hairstyles, independent of race, are always designed with the hat friendly versions, I think they could dedicate a bit of time to make that for the Viera exclusive hairstyles. One, there are so few of them... just nine styles (not counting repeated ones that just have bangs), and two... much like they do with regular styles, the same hat friedly adaptation could be used for multiple different styles as well, if applicable.