Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

[BunniEclair]

The nerve it would take to tell people to still be patient lmao

Accurate though.



Yeah, I'd hope to see a few at least in that case. Or maybe even some concept art?

That datamined side ponytail really has me wavering. I didn't even like it that much at first but the more I see it the more I want it

I feel this pain. I seriously have been wanting a bob like 2B’s for forever and when I saw it wasn’t for viera I really had an “I’ve had enough! Pass me the fantasia!” moment. Ultimately I ended up throwing the hair at my alt instead. :P

Follow your heart, the bangs and little side curls on that style are to die for. ;3;

[Yencat]

I feel this pain. I seriously have been wanting a bob like 2B’s for forever and when I saw it wasn’t for viera I really had an “I’ve had enough! Pass me the fantasia!” moment. Ultimately I ended up throwing the hair at my alt instead. :P

Follow your heart, the bangs and little side curls on that style are to die for. ;3;

Great Lengths was the first stab but they just keep coming!

[reivaxe]

I seem to have touched a nerve

No, don't take it personally. This is very much inline with how I talk about these races because much of the disconnect players have with understanding the "why" is that people don't generally try to think like the devs or look at things from their pov. Not that I'm some authority on big game design, but I do know a thing or 2 about it and like to get people to think deeper about what they're upset about if they decide to be that invested in it.

Many answers as to why the devs do what they do can be found in looking at patterns throughout the game.

But you take every opportunity to come into viera focused threads and say some iteration of “a certain type of player plays viera that’s why they’re all so whiny” and then go on some long diatribe about how we are wrong for wanting pretty much anything, that it’s a waste of a race, etc. So forgive me if I assumed “certain type of player” didn’t mean “a player I disagree with but ultimately respect”. You come across less fascinated with character design and more hellbent on yelling at viera players about how none of us get it.

I stand by "a certain type of player plays viera that’s why they’re all so whiny" because that's like 80% of the player base. I know not everyone is like me and would be fine playing a furry female with 0 hair options "so long as I like em" or only cares about 2-3 hats and can rock the same short hairstyle for a year, people in this game overwhelmingly prefer to play dress up with their cute/ attractive things and that includes hair.

There's not a bone in my body that thinks Viera players are unique in that way and that Middies or lalas or Cat girls would take not being able to "fully play dress-up with hats and having like only 8 hairstyles" any better. This is SE's fault for not realizing many people wanted Viera because they're the most well known attractive non-human FF race, so they ended up making something with very lacking dress up potential in the most important part of the body in a game with 0 body shape customization. They are the ones who decided to make a pair of limited races after all instead of doing the compromises they would have to to make them compatible with the game's current systems.

That being said, they have explicitly and repeatedly confirmed and reassured people of their plans for these races which many ignore. I'm not at all a fan of willful ignorance for the sake of a pity party.

You come across less fascinated with character design and more hellbent on yelling at viera players about how none of us get it.

These things are not mutually exclusive.
I look into how the devs go about things because it's fascinating to me as the thing I want most in this game (Female Hrothgar) is held prisoner to the work flow process of these devs. To me, if I'm going to be that invested in wanting something then I'm going to try to understand it over yelling at clouds about it.

In doing so, I find that many "don't get it".

For example, I'm fairly sure I know "why" the devs decided to only give Viera unique hairstyles. I'm also sure I know "why" the devs added Hrothgar. And everywhere I look I see people taking their own hot takes at face value with very lil critical thought or research on it, so you get endless circles of people throwing blame every which way for not getting the things they want.

Your history of supporting viera is not something I’m privy to, because I only see you shouting us down, saying they’re a waste, etc and I haven’t creeped on your post history extensively.

You seem to put far too much stock into someone's ava.
I wouldn't expect you to creep through my post and know my long history of wanting Viera in this game starting back as far as Arr times, that would be silly. But it's very silly to read someone's intent a certain way because of the race of their ava. If Viera had an emotional range beyond "Shrugs" I'd be playing one RIGHT NOW and still be telling people that making "countless threads isn't going to get your hair faster/ accept that they're not giving you hats and shared hairs or play something else".
I may think that the race it's self is a waste of potential and "if that's what they're going to do then they shoulda just made a full Hrothgar race", but I don't think poorly of people who PLAY the race.

I have however posted on these forums long enough and visit enough other communities for this game to know that this forum has become little more than a cis pool of complaining about every lil thing in this game with zero desire for critical thinking ... so if I'm poop talking to anyone it's the general culture of the OF at this point.

[Yencat]

So, anyway.

[reivaxe]

If it happens to be an addition to Endwalker then it could be announced there. If it is something along the lines of "we are looking into it, please be patient" then that would probably be said during a Live Letter during Fanfest. Or they could just ignore it entirely like they have been.

IIRC when a reporter recently asked YP flat out about Viera and Hrothgar head stuff (in a question about new genders and races) he strongly implied people should look forward to May fan-fest about the head stuff.

So I'm assuming you will hear something there.

[ReynTime]

The hunch is a non issue for me, but that probably comes from playing WoW for so long. But I wouldn't complain if the option to run around straight backed was available. More options is never a bad thing when it comes to character creation.

That's precisely why I gave up on WoW very early lol
I didn't like how every race I wanted to play as had goofy walking animation

[Penthea]

So, anyway.

Never have only two words made me laugh so hard.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

they have explicitly and repeatedly confirmed and reassured people of their plans for these races which many ignore. I'm not at all a fan of willful ignorance for the sake of a pity party.

[Akimori]

I really don't see a point in making another thread discussing this when there is already other major threads. Especially when we are 1 month from receiving any possible news regarding it.

"Megathread"

[Vahlnir]

IIRC when a reporter recently asked YP flat out about Viera and Hrothgar head stuff (in a question about new genders and races) he strongly implied people should look forward to May fan-fest about the head stuff.

So I'm assuming you will hear something there.

That could mean something, but it could also mean nothing. Of course he's going to want as many people as possible tuning in for Fanfest, whether there's any news on this to share or not. Either way, I think it would be foolish for anyone to get their hopes up too high, which usually happens anyway with other things.