Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

[SturmChurro]

They have already disproven the “they’d have to make 4 models” thing themselves by allowing the ears to clip through helmets and hoods. This is because the issue isn’t really the ears, which all share the same base shape and size. As seen with the new dungeon helms, they are also more than capable of and willing to make the ears disappear for helms that it would be appropriate for. If you ever look at what helmets viera can wear something they all have in common is that they are headgear that make the hair completely disappear.

This is because it’s the racially unique hair, which they did not model “hat versions” for that is the issue. So you can get away with helmets because it makes sense for the wearer to tuck away hair when donning them. A little harder to explain away why your bunny is suddenly bald when putting on a wizard hat.

Though my issue isn’t really with hats, necessarily, unless they are the big reward for an event because....well I can’t use them, so that sucks. I take more issue with them hyping up the new races to have all of this customization to make up for the lack of gear that they just didn’t come through on. I can think of several ways they could have offered additional customization to make the viera feel more robust and unique. But where they stand right now, they had a lot more customization taken away than they got in exchange for a few ear models. And the hair thing is even more frustrating- both in their failure to make time to add more unique ones and also in their refusal to make the slight adjustments necessary to allow viera to have the unlockable ones offered as rewards.

Bald, and no ears on the side of their heads. That would be super jarring to look at. Like Humpty Dumpty wearing a hat or something.

[BunniEclair]

Bald, and no ears on the side of their heads. That would be super jarring to look at. Like Humpty Dumpty wearing a hat or something.

But with legs that go for miles! ;0

[Yencat]

But with legs that go for miles! ;0

Legs for miles, a bod for sin, and a head like a roll on deodorant.

Perfection!

[reivaxe]

They have already disproven the “they’d have to make 4 models” thing themselves by allowing the ears to clip through helmets and hoods.

Yeah, they let the ears clip through hoods and like 1 helm ... and it looks poop. It always looks poop. The race would look even more extra poop if they let Viera wear the 100s of hats in the game by taking the stance of "just let it clip".
This is a design decision by them to have visuals they're happy with and respect the racial choice of the player, never said it was a "tech issue". The only tech issue is the fact that they seem to think making hats not look like clippy poop with the ears requires too much work.

In order to make hats and helms not look like poop on the race they would have to accommodate the 4 ears or turn them off, simple as that.

This is because it’s the racially unique hair, which they did not model “hat versions” for that is the issue. So you can get away with helmets because it makes sense for the wearer to tuck away hair when donning them. A little harder to explain away why your bunny is suddenly bald when putting on a wizard hat.

They didn't make hat hair models because they never intended to give them hats because they made the race that way. That's not the cause of the "problem", that's the result of their decision ... no reason to make hat hair if you're not going to make hats work on them.

I take more issue with them hyping up the new races to have all of this customization to make up for the lack of gear that they just didn’t come through on.

I don't believe he "hyped it up" so much as tossed out a line about it that people latched onto. Hrothgar DO have a ton of CC options that no other race has at the cost of hair ... Viera's only "thing" is being humans with bunny ears so they "went all out" on the ears (even allowing for the bent ears that look ugly af) and decided to have alt versions of hair be the norm. These are new, unique things, and they came at as a result of how they made these races. Was it worth it? IMO no, they should have realized this weeby fanbase just wanted "cute bunny girls! ;D" and woulda taken Miqos with longer ears and 4 different bun tails.

But what's done is done, by releasing these races this way they've made a situation where in they can't easily change course unless they make a massive NGS shift in CC and graphics engine OR decide to just turn off the parts that give them problems. (For Viera it's the ears ... for Hrothgar it's just the mane. Hrothgar heads are not shaped in any way that stops hats from working on them and their ears get turned off for hoods, they simply seem to not want to only partly cover the mane).

[BunniEclair]

. Was it worth it? IMO no, they should have realized this weeby fanbase just wanted "cute bunny girls! ;D" and woulda taken Miqos with longer ears and 4 different bun tails..

Says the miqo.

The ears clipping through don’t look any worse than au ra horns clipping through hoods and helms. Like there’s a few extra tufts of hair and that’s it. You’re overblowing it to make your point, which is moot because they are doing it anyway, so clearly their standards are lower than you seem to think. Just not low enough to let our hair swallow a baseball cap. Yet.

But again, I don’t really care about hats all that much. I do care about hair, though. If viera really are just “humans with bunny ears” then it shouldn’t be all that hard to adjust the hair for them that everyone else gets. If it is, then they should find time to make more hair for just us. Either straight to cc or as a reward. If other people get mad, they can have the fantasia they keep throwing at viera players every time we make a peep about not getting anything. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[WhiteArchmage]

What I WILL say about the whole "Viera ears not letting them wear hats" decision is... the ears sit differently than Ivalice Viera...

The Viera from FFXII have their ears to the side, pointing outwards, farther apart than XIV Viera. Even with clipping, that space would allow many hats to fit (and with the clipping, the ears would clip through in an aesthetically pleasing fashion as if the hat had ear holes).

XIV Viera ears are a tad closer together and point forwards. This is a very odd decision because poking ear holes through what is essentially the top of the head is less natural. I don't know WHY they did this, but I wouldn't be opposed to Viera ears to be slightly moved to the sides to accomodate hats in a more natural fashion.

Like... FFTA Viera..., though I'll admit that several FFTA sprites have the ears on the top of the head and centered because... they're in 2D and static images so they don't have to worry about clipping or looking good in all angles or anything.

[Soge01]

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Just that little adjustment would probably fix alot of problems getting the hats to work on Viera heads. That, and I want all Ivalice Viera clothes. :>

[reivaxe]

Says the miqo.

Fun fact ... I don't like ANY of the races very much and only play kitty because it's the best option for my taste cause of the failings of every other choice aka the "I guess it'll do..." pick.

There is a reason I'm one of the most active Female Hrothgar supporters here. I also know for a fact that people were crying "HEY! Where's the bun tail? Why can't I be short? >" and had to be told that's not how Viera look.

The ears clipping through don’t look any worse than au ra horns clipping through hoods and helms. Like there’s a few extra tufts of hair and that’s it. You’re overblowing it to make your point, which is moot because they are doing it anyway, so clearly their standards are lower than you seem to think. Just not low enough to let our hair swallow a baseball cap. Yet.

No, I'm not "overblowing" it.
Here's the thing, YOU think it looks fine and like Drago horns ... but that's an opinion. I think it looks poop, cheap and lazy. Clearly the devs also think it looks terrible which is why they don't do it outside of hoods and like 1 helm even though people are fast to point out how "All you have to do is turn on a button to make hats show". Clearly they don't think it's acceptable which is why they don't allow hats to show ... that's literally the only conclusion you can come to after seeing how easy it seems for modders to turn hats on.

At the end of the day it's their game and if they think having giant ears clip through fedoras is a bad look welp ... you get exactly what they're doing now.

[BunniEclair]

Fun fact ... I don't like ANY of the races very much and only play kitty because it's the best option for my taste cause of the failings of every other choice aka the "I guess it'll do..." pick.

Just saying, tiny kitty waifus shouldn’t throw stones. Even so, I’m a supporter of female Hrothgar myself and do hope they make it into the game someday.

No, I'm not "overblowing" it.
Here's the thing, YOU think it looks fine and like Drago horns ... but that's an opinion. I think it looks poop, cheap and lazy. Clearly the devs also think it looks terrible which is why they don't do it outside of hoods and like 1 helm even though people are fast to point out how "All you have to do is turn on a button to make hats show". Clearly they don't think it's acceptable which is why they don't allow hats to show ... that's literally the only conclusion you can come to after seeing how easy it seems for modders to turn hats on.

At the end of the day it's their game and if they think having giant ears clip through fedoras is a bad look welp ... you get exactly what they're doing now.

I don’t really feel like talking in circles any more with you because neither of us is budging, nor have we ever seen eye to eye on this subject in any capacity. Gotta say I don’t think I’ve ever met anybody as invested in a race they have no interest in playing. At the end of the day, regardless of the reason, viera and hrothgar are getting shorted in a way other races are not and I’d like to see them do pretty much anything at this point regarding the hair situation. I do personally think they should retrofit unlockable and paid hairstyles on viera, as modders have shown it takes little effort as far as fitting is concerned to do so. It would probably be the easiest solution to appease viera players, and allow them to focus on Hroth who frankly have no real option but racial hairs at this point, due to the way they function.

[MilkieTea]

^^ 100% this. Viera and Hrothgar need more options, this isn't acceptable at ALL. I sincerely hope they're going to add new hair come 6.0 to Viera and hopefully separate the Hrothgar face and hair.