Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

[Yencat]

Also, just another thought to add to all of this that I've recalled.

If they can implement Yoko Taro's booty legs set AND fix the clipping issue with it, why can't we have headgear and hairstyles for Viera and Hrothgar? I'm pretty pissed off right now after these two recent articles.

Don't get too worked up about it, he rarely volunteers information unless asked specifically and clearly about a topic.

He kept repeating they didn't have the resources to do male Viera or female Hrothgar the entire time, long past the point where they would've already been working on or maybe even finished male Viera. It's entirely possible they're further along on the hairstyle issue than he's letting on right now.

It's a bit annoying everything has to be kept quiet to be a surprise reveal later down the line but it is what it is.

[LuluLavender]

"Of course, gear you can obtain as you play through the game will also need to be fitted to match the body shapes of the Viera and Hrothgar"

Hello, we're all aware Viera has the same body model as hyur and miqos, it's just scaled up. You gave viera so many animations that were copy and paste from Elezen. Not even viera hair is adjusted to look natural with viera ears, so I don't buy that it's a huge issue to adjust hair, I really don't. Though I must say, I'd never considered the work needed for cutscenes.

I get that it adds to the amount of work, and I've said that all along. But still, it's a massive kick in the teeth for players of Viera and Hrothgar to know for certian that they're increasing this amount of work with male viera, with absolutely nothing done to improve the issue of us being cut out of new content and rewards. They just say "keep waiting", but we're done waiting when you tell us that the problem will only be worse in the next expansion.

[Yencat]

If they wanted to bring over modern aestheics they would have, as they were giving it to all other races and fixing it for miqote and au ra horns as well. They just won't. They said they would and then changed it pretty quickly and said viera would be getting race exclusive hairstyles. I rather have male viera hair than none at this point. I think we can maybe hope for the mogstation hair, since we paid for it and it just seems like bad company policy to give part of the playerbase 2/3 of payable content. And cheapen? They released two races halfassed. Viera came out cheapened to begin with.
(also Im not annoyed at you Im annoyed at having 8 hairstyles only after two years).

I'm with you, I've been annoyed about it for 2 years as well. I do feel it would cheapen them even further though; limited headgear, limited hair, not even a unique hempen set, and then male viera hair too?

But if it's male viera hair or nothing at all I suppose that's better, but it wouldn't matter much to me because I won't stay a viera in that case.

[LuciaMirain]

I'm with you, I've been annoyed about it for 2 years as well. I do feel it would cheapen them even further though; limited headgear, limited hair, not even a unique hempen set, and then male viera hair too?

But if it's male viera hair or nothing at all I suppose that's better, but it wouldn't matter much to me because I won't stay a viera in that case.

That is actually true, we didnt even get our own hempen sets (Im hoping they just release them for all tbh but that is another thread). I dont think we will get the male viera hair either, tbh. Since the female hairs have flowers, pigtails and such and I dont think they want to move the female hairs over to the males....although tbf the latest hairs have been "unisex" for the other races so...miracles do happen.

[Misplaced_Marbles]

That is actually true, we didnt even get our own hempen sets (Im hoping they just release them for all tbh but that is another thread). I dont think we will get the male viera hair either, tbh. Since the female hairs have flowers, pigtails and such and I dont think they want to move the female hairs over to the males....although tbf the latest hairs have been "unisex" for the other races so...miracles do happen.

Feminine hair? Masculine hair? It's all just hair to me.

Anyway, i'd totally settle for the female ponytail for males considering how omnipresent those ludicrously massive collars are on clothing. Of course, the hair itself would probably clip into you character, but it is what it is. just gotta take what you can get i suppose.

[Yencat]

Feminine hair? Masculine hair? It's all just hair to me.

Anyway, i'd totally settle for the female ponytail for males considering how omnipresent those ludicrously massive collars are on clothing. Of course, the hair itself would probably clip into you character, but it is what it is. just gotta take what you can get i suppose.

Obviously hair is just hair at the end of the day, but given how many people playing male characters have (rightfully) griped about how a lot of the newer hairstyles are either clearly designed with female characters in mind first and then made unisex or some ambiguous anime-cut that ends up pleasing neither, how do you suppose cutesy styles like pigtails with daisies will go down for them?

The ponytail doesn't actually clip into your character, but it has those long strands in front that still clip with any and all collars.

[Yencat]

That is actually true, we didnt even get our own hempen sets (Im hoping they just release them for all tbh but that is another thread). I dont think we will get the male viera hair either, tbh. Since the female hairs have flowers, pigtails and such and I dont think they want to move the female hairs over to the males....although tbf the latest hairs have been "unisex" for the other races so...miracles do happen.

We haven't seen all male hairstyles yet but I can see how a few of the ones we have seen could work better as unisex styles than most of the very obviously feminine styles female viera have would on male characters.

It's not even that I think the male styles look bad, but it would really be the final nail in the coffin to me that they're not even trying and it's time to move on and play a different race.

[Renik]

New info from a recent interview.

Gamer Escape: Lots of players are excited for Male Viera. Some however are still wondering about the newer races’ (Viera and Hrothgar) lack of hairstyles, lack of visible head equipment, and, in the case of Hrothgar, needing a fantasia to change their existing hair styles. Are there any plans to level the playing field for Viera and Hrothgar players by making adjustments to those issues?

Naoki Yoshida: For both the Viera and Hrothgar, there were certain characteristics we wanted to emphasize in their design—the long ears of the Viera and beast-like features of the Hrothgar. Due to this, there was a limit to the range of customization, and we worked with these conditions when creating these races. If we wanted to make these features more customizable, we’d have to sacrifice those unique features, so it would be great if everyone could understand that at a fundamental level, it is not simply a matter of whether or not we make adjustments to accommodate this.

I have mentioned this on several occasions, but I understand why players request this—I really do. In an effort to accommodate this, even if just a little bit, we have continued to spend a lot of time assessing possible changes in structural design of the models, as well as potential additions to our current workflow. Even as I write this, I just met with the team to get an update on their testing status for this. We may not be able to get them to be exactly the same as the other playable races, but I hope to be able to give you some kind of update soon, including the status on the stubble for Hyur as you asked about previously, so your patience on the matter is greatly appreciated!

https://gamerescape.com/2021/06/07/f...ctors-edition/

Sounds like they have been working on fixing the problem from its root instead of just trying to add more hairstyles.

[SturmChurro]

New info from a recent interview.

Sounds like they have been working on fixing the problem from its root instead of just trying to add more hairstyles.

He mentions how often it's requested. So that's fun. I like that they mentioned hyur stubble as well. I do hope we see a hair update sooner than later, and I also don't want to just see male viera hair ported over either.

[Yencat]

New info from a recent interview.

https://gamerescape.com/2021/06/07/f...ctors-edition/

Sounds like they have been working on fixing the problem from its root instead of just trying to add more hairstyles.

Huh, interesting. Thank you for posting that

Kind of a confusing answer though, it sounds like he always hones in on the headgear issue rather than hairstyles. Otherwise I don't see what the length of Viera ears has to do with anything?

I will say though I'm very surprised to see they're actually already testing changes in the structural design of the races, honestly didn't expect them to even consider doing that. That means there's some hope left alive for Hrothgar's Fantasia issue being solved as well.