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[Sotaris]

Would you be less fatigued? Yes.

Would you have better chance? No.

Your chances would be far worse as more players show up to be ready to click the placard at that designated moment. A lot of players want a house but don't bother camping because they'd rather spend those hours doing other things. Reduce the time commitment to 10 minutes and they will start showing up in large numbers.

Sure but you would know if you have to put aside possibly your whole day to click a placard. I dunno, I'd prefer that over a unknown timer.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

Once Ishgard housing comes, a lot of plots will open in the older wards. Probably even Kugane. I'd do your shopping then.

[jakers127]

See, I do not understand the problem with house flipping, it is a great investment and a way to make gil. It is LITERALLY how we do things in our civilization in the real world. The system was designed around that system in the first place.

Right now, the system is wait for an undetermined amount of time, probably at least 12 hours, clicking a sign with other people around to then around hour 24 of clicking, someone comes up and relocates. GG\

Is there a limit to relocation? Cause if I get a house, I'm bout to relocate all the time just to show what a dumb system this is they have for current home buying. I dunno about you guys, but clicking a sign for hours on end, probably multiple times and still never find a home is insanity. Probably makes sense to people that have a home, but once you get a home, your literally just a lifetime subscriber to ff14 which is why they actually keep it this way. I use to have a mansion, I ended up letting it go, now I regret not just buying that year of subscription for while i was in college taking tough classes just to maintain it. Should not be that way.

House flipping might exclude those that don't have the gil, but the current system excludes anyone who doesn't have endless hours to click a sign. Either way, someone is getting excluded. At least with house flipping, the economy is then in the players hands and not RNG.

Another remedy, maybe not make the timer 2-1000 hours, maybe make the effin timer something civilized like 2-4 if you are insistent on a timer...Jesus...

[Mimilu]

See, I do not understand the problem with house flipping, it is a great investment and a way to make gil. It is LITERALLY how we do things in our civilization in the real world. The system was designed around that system in the first place.

The problem was plots would show up on RTM sites, eBay, JP-Amazon, etc, being sold for real money.

Is there a limit to relocation? Cause if I get a house, I'm bout to relocate all the time just to show what a dumb system this is they have for current home buying.

As of now, there is only a 5-minute lock when you buy/relocate to a plot.
Sadly, if you wanted to really cause a stir, you'd have to do it on a JP server, the devs really aren't as in touch with the rest of the community as they are with their native language. It took Yoshi-P getting rtm-tell-bombed during trips to the NA and EU servers to see how bad it was, leading to them adding the ability to right-click report RTMers (even though the English forums were littered with threads about it).

[Jojoya]

See, I do not understand the problem with house flipping, it is a great investment and a way to make gil. It is LITERALLY how we do things in our civilization in the real world. The system was designed around that system in the first place.

No, it wasn't. SE has specifically stated they never intended players to be reselling houses to other players.

Not to mention look at what the real world real property trade has done to living conditions for many people, forcing them to live in cramped, unhealthy conditions or long distances from where their jobs are located due to the cost of homes and apartments. That's hardly a system worth emulating.

If SE wanted flipping to occur, they would have never implemented the timer. If they wanted flipping to occur, they would have implemented a player controlled auction system for houses from the start instead of forcing players to pay the game to purchase or relocate to a plot. Whatever fee they wanted the game to collect as a gil sink would have been attached to the auction price.

And in all honesty, what's the point of flipping or any other activity to make large amounts of gil unless you're selling that gil via RMT? Gil is at the point it has little value in this game other than to buy house (you're going to flip houses to buy something you already owned? Don't think so). It's nice that SE is finally starting to add in some new gil sinks that might give gil some value in the future but their initial offerings have been lackluster and somewhat puzzling.

[Besame]

It is not the system that is causing the problem. It is the supply.

Back in 2018, we still had the purchase timer. We still had relocation. Plot prices were the same as they are now. And yet buying a house was not a problem on any but a few congested worlds like Balmung for most of that year because there were plenty of houses available after the 4.2 ward expansion.

The active player base doubled in 2019. Housing did not. The supply became inadequate for the increased demand.

We can makes changes to the system but we won't see any improvement unless the supply also increases to meet demand.

Jo is correct. We that have been here a few years know what the experience was back even 4-5 yrs ago. I remember saving the money for a small house after maybe 7-8 months of play, going to the Lava beds and finding a neighborhood with 4-5 empty lots. I grabbed the one I liked out of the group and was g2g. I did find out that in the next few months, the other empty plots were being grabbed by the same person with different alts, and kept locked up and unused hence the lack of housing due to greed. Eventually after many months, these houses were sold off by the same owner for millions of gil. SE has not been able to expand it's housing services for whatever reason. At this point, it's revamp everything to instance or keep applying bandaids. More housing neighborhood expansions are a poor bandaid fix, and only good for a few hours when the plots are gone. The larges and mediums go in a flash hehe. Personally, I am satisfied with my medium, an apartment and the small FC given to me. I could afford to upgrade or buy more property, but why? I'll leave the rest of the goodies so others can enjoy