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    Does anybody else actually like the Vishap fight?

    Everywhere I go, people say that they hate Steps of Faith or aka the Vishap fight. When it comes up in roulettes, half the people leave and the other half complain. I have yet to see one good comment about it. I seem to be the only person who ever says something nice about it when it comes up in roulettes.

    It could be because of my over-obsessive love for dragons, but I still light the fight itself. Trying to prevent a huge gigantic dragon from evading Ishgard.

    I know that it is not a caster friendly fight but neither is Eden's Promise:Umbra. Anyway, I seem to do well in that fight as SMN. Ruin 2 is my best friend in that fight.

    I wish that there was an extreme version of the fight. They could make Vishap stepping on you an insta-kill in extreme.

    Is there anybody else that actually likes the Vishap fight?
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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    I enjoy it.
    It's unique and interesting.
    Fighting the swarms of enemies back while also trying to engage a huge dragon? Super cool.
    I am also a bit bummed we didn't get an EX version as I think there's more they could do to push the concept (like a version with more teamwork).
    Maybe someday they'll revisit the concept in another raid.
    Or... maybe we'll get Steps of Faith (Unreal)!!
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    For me it's just one of those battles that shows up way too often in roulettes, even when there are no new ppl. It also doesn't help that the fight is simple and super fast but no one wants to follow instruction or do mechanics properly which makes it take much longer than it should. Tanks are always holding the adds off in lala land, while the dps ignore the boss until they are dead and no one wants to man the cannons. If you hold the mobs under the boss and have everyone focus on the boss while 1 healer and the off tanks use cannons to take out the adds and damage the boss you can have him down after 1 dragon killer. Quick and faceroll easy.

    Steps, Mog and Tsukuyomi seem to be the worst offenders for trials, just like 1000 maws is notorious for popping for leveling. I know SE says they do not weigh the roulette toward any set of fights or dungeons, but there are battles and dungeons that either have never or only once or twice ever popped for roulette unless there was someone new to them while a small handful of others show up 90% of the time. I actually kept track once and after 1 full month after noticing a pattern over the course of months and steps, mog and tsukuyomi popped 24 of the 31 days for both my chars. So yeah, even with the law of random, the probability of that is low if they were not weighted somehow.
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    I think a lot of people hate it because it required actual teamwork when it first came out. It was a bit of difficulty curve back then that some weren't quite prepared for which resulted in some attempts being...unpleasant. Then the dev team went and nerfed the heck out of it and took what fun there was to be had and threw that out the window into busy traffic. People needing to use their brains? Nope, can't have that! Personally, I always thought it was a cool fight pre nerf. At the time is was something new and different, and the game certainly needed more new then. Even more so now. Post nerf? It's enough to put me to sleep. Aside from add control, all that needs to be done now is dps the boss. Everything else can be ignored. That defeats the entire design of the fight itself.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 03-30-2021 at 04:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoltresRider View Post
    Everywhere I go, people say that they hate Steps of Faith or aka the Vishap fight. When it comes up in roulettes, half the people leave and the other half complain. I have yet to see one good comment about it. I seem to be the only person who ever says something nice about it when it comes up in roulettes.

    It could be because of my over-obsessive love for dragons, but I still light the fight itself. Trying to prevent a huge gigantic dragon from evading Ishgard.

    I know that it is not a caster friendly fight but neither is Eden's Promise:Umbra. Anyway, I seem to do well in that fight as SMN. Ruin 2 is my best friend in that fight.

    I wish that there was an extreme version of the fight. They could make Vishap stepping on you an insta-kill in extreme.

    Is there anybody else that actually likes the Vishap fight?
    Not caster....friendly...?
    *Blasts everything with [Stone II] & [Holy] when I roll as a WHM, the most immobile spellcaster*

    Ahem..
    I loved it personally. While I didn't get to experience the pre-nerf version which I'd kill to do at least once, this is one of those 'different' trials that sorta suits my taste. I love manning the cannon when nobody bothers to do it. I love manning the dragonkiller; pulling this off is a very satisfying feat. I like how they used Vishap's enormous size to incorporate the 'overstepping damage'. It makes you mindful of where you're standing (although not really...we just sorta plant ourselves well inside their hitbox and call it a day).

    My only guess is probably because the trial used to be harder and thus garnered a notorious reputation (i.e. wiping too many pugs), and this notoriety has been pretty much ingrained in some playerbase's mind that carried on to this date.
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    I like it fine. Not my favorite, not at the bottem of my list.

    The only legit complaint i remember reading(long ago) is that if your group is failing, you have to wait the entire almost 10 minutes for him to finish crossing the bridge before you can retry. In reality these days, no one is actually failing and this is not an issue.
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    Absenthine Starfrost
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    It's mostly because it USED to be very annoying to complete. When I started playing I remember having to ask some FC mates to help with it becuase DF parties were everywhere in terms of quality. Now it's literally a faceroll and feels like a punching bag.
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    it could've been fixed by letting people vote if they want to restart if the fight goes badly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuella View Post
    it could've been fixed by letting people vote if they want to restart if the fight goes badly
    That, or something like if everyone is dead at the same time it restarts. That way the group could just not respawn/res and get him back at the beginning. But again, this isnt an issue these days.
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    I dislike the fight because it's relatively long without any challenge. It was much more fun at release when it required teamwork and it was easy to get overwhelmed and die.
    But nowadays it's just feels like punching bag with more HP. You can use cannons but don't have to anymore. There are no mechanics to watch out for. It's just slapping the boss' butt until it dies.
    I could be a training dummy and I'd hardly notice a difference.
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