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  1. #231
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    Nestama's Avatar
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    Nestama Eynfoetsyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    Dps also deserve to be KICKED turn about is fair play. If you are dps then you are not the tank and it is not your job to take damage intended for the tank.
    Which can be solved if you, as a tank, do your AoE and become the main target. It's that easy.

    I would also like to mention it's easily possible to complete dungeons without a tank.
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    Last edited by Nestama; 04-02-2021 at 10:06 AM.

  2. #232
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    Nana Wiloh
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    My closing agrument on this, is dps pulling is griefing just as much as tank or healer not doing their job is. No matter how much it helps the group it does not excuse the act itself. Communication,vote kicking and just leaving the group are better solutions. For slow tanks or tanks going to fast then pulling for them.
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  3. #233
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    That's not comparable though. A DPS pulling can easily be fixed by a single tank AoE (and Overpower may actually hit everything on the first hit for a change), a tank and healer choosing not to hold hate, use defensive CD's and keep the party alive will most likely end up having someone KO, which will slow the dungeon down more so than a DPS pulling for the tank.
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  4. #234
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    ZedxKayn's Avatar
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    Capybara Friend
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    Excalibur
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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    This is such a over used reason. Dps healing skills are weaker then a healers spells. And healer dmg skills are weaker then dps skills. So you cant take the roles place or what its capable of.
    "overused" doesn't make it any less valid

    also wym lol a healer that knows what theyre doing will outdps most DPS players especially if it's a WHM.
    especially true in dungeons where DPS jobs need a few GCDs to build resource and buff themselves whereas healers (again WHM especially) can dish out their maximum amount of damage right away.
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  5. #235
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    Jijifli Kokofli
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    Quote Originally Posted by NanaWiloh View Post
    My closing agrument on this, is dps pulling is griefing just as much as tank or healer not doing their job is. No matter how much it helps the group it does not excuse the act itself. Communication,vote kicking and just leaving the group are better solutions. For slow tanks or tanks going to fast then pulling for them.
    Except the dps isn't not doing their job. In fact, they are actively doing it, which is to dps. If they have to stand there cuz you gotta pick your nose first before you single pull, then they are not dpsing.

    If you aren't pulling, they can't do their job, which doesn't that make you the rude one first?
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  6. #236
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jijifli View Post
    Except the dps isn't not doing their job. In fact, they are actively doing it, which is to dps. If they have to stand there cuz you gotta pick your nose first before you single pull, then they are not dpsing.

    If you aren't pulling, they can't do their job, which doesn't that make you the rude one first?
    A tank who openly refuses to pull without explaining why is being rude. A tank who is standing silently not pulling, is likely not trying to be rude. But the impatient dps who just barreled forward and pulled without extending the silent tank the question "why are you not pulling?" is being rude. I am really starting to believe that dps players either have broken fingers or their just to impatient for words. Are you in such a rush you cant spare a simple message in chat to ask the tank to pull???

    Me personally I dont care if a dps pulls, cause I treat them like a tank. My healing strat for tanks depending on the pull and pack size will kill a dps, while a actual tank will have no issues. If a tank can pull a group and go a good 7 seconds with no heal then I expect the same of any dps who pulls. I dont care if you lack a tank trait and a tanks damage mitigating abilites thats not my problem its your problem..
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    Note: Taking advice from a players alt, is like taking advice from a voice in a dark room. Criticism is a two way street remember that!!

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    Pull quicker
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  8. #238
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    This thread is still going?
    o.O
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  9. #239
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    Xyasreau Borlaaq
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    It boggles my mind that people choose a role known for bravely front lining and tanking large amounts of damage for their allies, a brave forward charging hero that sacrifices part of their own offensive prowess to truly fight enemies head on, decide that the best course of action is to be a petty, weak willed and arrogant dictator that cowers at the thought of having to take damage that would bring them down below 95% of their 2x health pool.

    "Oh my allies are drawing in more foes so that I can perform my role of facilitating damage by grabbing and holding my enemies attentions and surviving their onslaught the best."

    "Better not do my only job and value to the group by letting the filthy heathen die for insulting my precious blue icon. I've successfully hurt myself and my group by allowing a fellow party member specialized in killing the very foes that wail on me to fall in combat and that pleases my fragile ego."

    dey took muh jerb syndrome at it's finest.
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  10. #240
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    Simon Malebranche
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    Cerberus
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    Summoner Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    Im the opposite.
    If Im suppose to be the tank, but the DPS decides they wanna be tank...Im taking off my stance and gonna let them have at it.
    If they die...thats what happens when you decide your gonna overstep and take my job XD
    You have one job, do it and stop being petty.
    There is no rule that says the tank NEEDS to pull.
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