DPS who pull mobs

[Ftail]

I remember I was tanking in a leveling dungeon and the healer had gear, way out of date like previous expansion out of date. So I decided for this healer to only do a couple of pack pulls at a time instead of wall to wall for this dungeon. The dps didn’t like this so they ran ahead and pulled more. I’m like ok, whatever, and I grab the mobs off him.

Unfortunately, the healer wasn’t able to keep up with the damage and I end up dying and we all wipe. So I say to the DPS look at the healers gear and the sprout icon above his head, there’s a reason I wasn’t doing wall to wall pulls.

[Equitable_Remedy]

In PUGs, I don't pull mobs and I don't stand in AOEs. Yes, there are times when doing those things would be more efficient, but with people you don't know, they often come across as rude or bad gameplay. With an FC group, go HAM.

There's a way to be a person; this doesn't have to be dramatic or complicated.

[SaberMaxwell]

Not talking about load time. I'm talking about ranged DPS re-positioning themselves during combat towards the exit side of the encounter, so when the fight finishes, and whatever obstacle preventing movement is removed, the DPS has a headstart simply due to the positioning.

Generally speaking it's trivial for ranged DPS players to outrun a tank if they wanted. Heck I do it all the time and do zigzags to gradually put myself behind the tank. It's my own personal mini-game when playing SAM for example to end the fight with a back-jump towards the exit side.

Depends on the specific pull but if the tank is standing literally on the wall (hence the name "wall to wall pull") you're not pre positioning ahead of them. Also if you and another player are in lock step or you're a bit ahead of them on your client, chances are they're ahead of you per the server due to the 200ms built in delay.

[Zfz]

Depends on the specific pull but if the tank is standing literally on the wall (hence the name "wall to wall pull") you're not pre positioning ahead of them. Also if you and another player are in lock step or you're a bit ahead of them on your client, chances are they're ahead of you per the server due to the 200ms built in delay.

Which is why I said way earlier that "unless the tank is literally pulling to the wall". But most times there's no point to do that, not even to make sure the DPS aren't pre-positioned in front of you, because it doesn't really matter.

As to network delay, well, there's nothing to prove that I'm showing up in front or behind. But that's not the point. The point is, unless the tank literally pulls to the wall, it's often trivial for me to be half a screen ahead, meaning so far ahead network delay isn't going to make a difference, and I do the zigzag to put me back behind the tank.

But even that is not the point. As I said, the point is, use Arm's Length. Arguing about "oh no you can't out run tanks" or "tanks who get outrun by DPS are just bad tanks" or all that is all moot. Just use Arm's Length if you have it and find yourself pulling instead of the tank, that's what this thread is about.

[Awha]

I always pull wall-to-wall from the start. If we wipe whelp normally even the most stubborn dps will understand. If not well Yay wall-to-wall we go. Asking is kinda moot cause people may say no simply due to desire and not lack of ability so remove that from equation and push forward.

[Duskane]

ill generally snag enemy off Dps before it does anything too crazy
the "you pull it you tank it" mentality is dumb

[Vahlnir]

ill generally snag enemy off Dps before it does anything too crazy
the "you pull it you tank it" mentality is dumb

I used to live by it a long time ago but...I've matured enough since then to realize that it's really just a waste of everyone's time. Do I like when things are pulled for me? Nope. But it'd be even worse if I just let things run amok. No sense in punishing the group for the foul deeds of one individual. The solution is to always stay ahead of even the most impatient people.

[BaconBits]

To all the folks in here that genuinely believe in the "You pull it you tank it" nonsense...

Just pull faster bruv.

[Nethereal]

I wonder how this thread has somehow avoided the "You're the reason people don't want to tank!" mob.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

First off, intentionally being bad at your role does not help you at all

Im doing my job, the DPS decide they can't wait the extra second to let me get a hit on the enemy to I can gain aggro.
They decided on their own to run ahead and pull everything else. Thats not being bad at my role on purpose.

It's not a big deal. At least, not as big of a deal as intentionally griefing for a petty grievance. I mean, I pull most of my dungeons on healer and all you'd really do by turning off stance is make me use a couple gcd's to live (which, more of a cut to dungeon mobs hitting for basically nothing while being made out of paper). It's not really the "Learned Your Lesson?" moment you think it is.

Your opinion is valid and noted, but If Im Tank, let me Tank. Dont tank for me then call me bad when you wont let me do my job and act like your in a rush because you have a date waiting or something XD.

Ah, nothing like being a petty tank.

Darn Straight 8)
If Im the Tank, let me tank. If you wanna tank, Ill let you tank.
I WILL be petty about it because why am I the Tank, if a DPS is gonna do it for me?