DPS who pull mobs

[Awha]

Homie as someone who also has Asperger's / ASD which ever some may prefer. I get where you are coming from. Still the pulling aspect is one thing but I think most the issue stems from tanks that just refuse to pull aggro off. I mean depending on the class or sprint timings at times it may be hard to stay ahead of a dps that wishes to pull but if they do pull and you get aggro off them then most will probably not call you bad.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

It's always tempting to let them die. I am guilty of being that tank too in the past. But as time goes by I have sorta softened my stance and would usually just let them take a hit or two to give them a scare but without letting them die by pulling it away after enough 'scaring' lol. Because Weakness hurts damage output.

[Zfz]

Regarding pulling back-to-back, I don't feel it's such a good idea. FFXIV is really for multi-pack pulls, not back-to-back pulls.

Back in early WoW, back-to-back was a thing because more often than not the you weren't doing AOE, but rather crowd-controlling a pack and burning down each mob individually. So the most optimal way to maximize dps was to keep the mobs coming non-stop. That means the tank should leave the last mob half-dead to be finished off by the DPS and proceed to pull the next pack. Positioning also mattered because one extra patro can wipe the whole group in a heroic, so tanks often also needed time to pull mobs to the right spot. This doesn't apply in FFXIV.

FFXIV is more like doing bursts of damage, with DPS stacking whatever buffs they can to maximize AOE dps.

[BunniEclair]

Ignoring the whole conversation because it’s been done over and over but I really like your energy OP. I like that you’re not super territorial but ask that the dps actually do it properly if they have to be extra speedy. I’ve picked my fair share of dps off the ground who sprinted ahead while my sprint was on CD and face pulled everything trying to be “helpful”. Use arms/shields/self heals and run back to the tank if you really just gotta shave those extra seconds off.

[Bright-Flower]

I don't think a GM would punish a player for stopping the use of aoes etc, they'd probably need to be more blatant about things. Especially if the group has the chance to kick the tank and replace them.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Question would you also let the healer die thus wiping the group if they were the ones that pulled?

If they ran ahead of me and pulled everything else while Im trying to get aggro on a mob before them? Yes.
If they pull the boss even when I typed "brb", or "wait a sec please" Then yes.

Your job is not limited to simply pulling mobs but establishing and maintaining aggro. Allowing the DPS to die out of some petty "revenge" because they ran ahead isn't doing your job. It's the equivalent of a healer refusing to heal because they got angry at someone.

And in such a scenario, you're the one I'm initiating the Vote Kick on because you're causing an actual issue. Some rando DPS or healer pulling ahead didn't impact anything except to bruise your ego slightly. You electing to let said DPS die puts more work on me as the potential healer and/or simply wastes time since now we have a DPS with weakness. You're in the wrong no matter what justification you want to spin.

I know what my job is as a tank, which is why I personally have an issue with DPS trying to tank for me. There is no Ego, nothing is being spun, Im the Tank, let me do my job and tank. Its that simple. What is the point of me being a tank if a dps is gonna do it for me? Its not revenge either, they decide they want to be tank, ill let them be tank; similar to when a 2nd tank sees that Im trying to be Main tank, but then they completely steal aggro off of me and take my job. Call it petty, yes, and Ill 100% admit Im aware Im being petty. I wont hide it.
And Its just as petty to say Im being to slow, and call me a bad tank or a Griefer for not moving at the speed and level that the DPS wants me to.

Do you know refusing to do your job and letting people die for it is reportable since it's griefing?

Someone running ahead isn't preventing you from doing your actual job, that is grabbing aggro, or doesn't mean that they want to tank, it just means that they're faster than you. You're a bad tank and a bad team player with that attitude, no two ways around it.

I was doing my job. But then somebody else decides they are a better tank and dont have time for me to tank, and do it themselves.
Im not gonna fight somebody who wants it that much more then me that they will take my job. Just wait a second or 2 for me to grab the enemies, and then Ill get the other enemies and do the Wall-to-wall Im expected to do. If im not fast enough, then by all means, take over.
If im just gonna be called a bad tank for not being as fast as they want me to be. Cool, Ill just stick to healing

Your job is to maintain threat, that is quite literally your minimum. If a dps has it, you are not doing your minimum. I don't care if he pulled something else before you did SOMEHOW to even begin with, because intentionally choosing to not keep threat and wasting everyone's time, not just that one dps, is quite literally griefing.

Would you be fine with the healer no longer healing you if you stood in one aoe?

Would you be fine with a dps just auto attacking because you caused him to miss a positional?

Why is it okay for you to not do what you came to do, but not okay for others?

Like I said a few times..I know what my job is as a Tank. If a dps decides to run ahead and do it themselves. Thats on them, Ill let them do it. Call it petty, because it is. I wont lie about it. Im trying to tank, let me tank. Dont take my job and then call me a bad tank for not letting me tank.

Same goes for a healer, if they wanna run ahead and try to take my job, more power to them.
Just wait a second for me to get going. Just because Im max level, doesnt mean I have the same skill ceiling or are as fast as others.

[Awha]

If they ran ahead of me and pulled everything else while Im trying to get aggro on a mob before them? Yes.
If they pull the boss even when I typed "brb", or "wait a sec please" Then yes.



I know what my job is as a tank, which is why I personally have an issue with DPS trying to tank for me. There is no Ego, nothing is being spun, Im the Tank, let me do my job and tank. Its that simple. What is the point of me being a tank if a dps is gonna do it for me? Its not revenge either, they decide they want to be tank, ill let them be tank; similar to when a 2nd tank sees that Im trying to be Main tank, but then they completely steal aggro off of me and take my job. Call it petty, yes, and Ill 100% admit Im aware Im being petty. I wont hide it.
And Its just as petty to say Im being to slow, and call me a bad tank or a Griefer for not moving at the speed and level that the DPS wants me to.



I was doing my job. But then somebody else decides they are a better tank and dont have time for me to tank, and do it themselves.
Im not gonna fight somebody who wants it that much more then me that they will take my job. Just wait a second or 2 for me to grab the enemies, and then Ill get the other enemies and do the Wall-to-wall Im expected to do. If im not fast enough, then by all means, take over.
If im just gonna be called a bad tank for not being as fast as they want me to be. Cool, Ill just stick to healing



Like I said a few times..I know what my job is as a Tank. If a dps decides to run ahead and do it themselves. Thats on them, Ill let them do it. Call it petty, because it is. I wont lie about it. Im trying to tank, let me tank. Dont take my job and then call me a bad tank for not letting me tank.

Same goes for a healer, if they wanna run ahead and try to take my job, more power to them.
Just wait a second for me to get going. Just because Im max level, doesnt mean I have the same skill ceiling or are as fast as others.

Sorry on mobile, but letting the healer die will result in throwing the two other players under the bus. That point it is a numbers game why punish two others just to prove a point against one. I get for you pulling is not fair towards you but that is a 1:1 normally if a dps does it. If a healer does it you are putting 2 others in the crossfire and wasting their time which is extremely unfair.

Does not seem legit does it?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Sorry on mobile, but letting the healer die will result in throwing the two other players under the bus. That point it is a numbers game why punish two others just to prove a point against one. I get for you pulling is not fair towards you but that is a 1:1 normally if a dps does it. If a healer does it you are putting 2 others in the crossfire and wasting their time which is extremely unfair.

Does not seem legit does it?

It simply wouldn't happen if the Healer didnt run ahead and pull the other mobs for me.
If they are just doing their job and healing, then its not their fault if they pull aggro as we get to the next Mob. Its one thing if they generated aggro from healing, its another thing to literally run ahead and attack to pull the other groups.

[Awha]

It simply wouldn't happen if the Healer didnt run ahead and pull the other mobs for me.
If they are just doing their job and healing, then its not their fault if they pull aggro as we get to the next Mob. Its one thing if they generated aggro from healing, its another thing to literally run ahead and attack to pull the other groups.

Sorry man I still do not get it if the healer runs ahead and pulls extra mobs and people are already using their AoE you as a tank you would have to physically stop using your AoE combo and maybe even drop aggro to teach said healer a lesson. At that point you are actively screwing over the dps for not having the same foresight to stop attacking or to single target the mobs you are
Fighting. So at that point in this theoretical situation if the healer dies and the dps die because all they were doing was using AoE. You might still be alive due to lack of aggro on the other mobs but now your party is dead because you wanted to teach someone a lesson. Yet that lesson also caused two others who were only guilty of using AoE.

Does that really seem fair?

[Miracle_Diva]

If they ran ahead of me and pulled everything else while Im trying to get aggro on a mob before them?



I know what my job is as a tank, which is why I personally have an issue with DPS trying to tank for me. There is no Ego, nothing is being spun, Im the Tank, let me do my job and tank.

I was doing my job. But then somebody else decides they are a better tank and dont have time for me to tank, and do it themselves.
Im not gonna fight somebody who wants it that much more then me that they will take my job.

If a dps decides to run ahead and do it themselves. Thats on them, Ill let them do it. Call it petty, because it is. I wont lie about it. Im trying to tank, let me tank. Dont take my job and then call me a bad tank for not letting me tank.

Same goes for a healer, if they wanna run ahead and try to take my job, more power to them.

I'm sorry, but who's not letting you tank? You just need to come to mobs and start pressing AOE rotation and voila - All agro is yours! All you need to do is start actually doing your job instead of playing the *God's game*.
I swear, some people need to get off their high horse and chill sometimes.