AFK GP Regen, Patience II, Cordial HQ, Cast, the fish sense something is amiss...

[Zfz]

Can we expect this absolutely enraging design oversight to be fixed?

I rarely swear out aloud when playing games, and this is one of the few situations where I always swear out loud, sometimes with a bang on the desk.

This game is full of careful designs to provide an enjoyable experience. Why is this still in the game?

Do something about the stupid design that forces us to AFK regen GP. Or do something about the possibility of wasting GP+Cordials. Please.

[QooEr]

i honestly feel like making GP regen percentage based instead of fixed would go a long way. if you have a lot of gp, it takes ages to get it bacl. if it was % based, youd actually restore it faster...

[Zfz]

I think the problem is that there's no incentive to keep gathering while we have low GP. We should be doubling or even tripling our GP regen rate when we are actually gathering. That would completely eliminate any desire to AFK for most people.

For example, change all Cordials to be a buff. Watered Cordial lasts 2 minutes, Cordial lasts 4 minutes, Hi-Cordial lasts 8 minutes, and during the buff, each gather action (hitting an item on a node, or hooking or hooksets when fishing) returns something like 10% (NQ) or 15% (HQ) of your max GP.

As to the risk of botting...well it's not like there aren't still bots. Current measures are clearly not effective against bots anyways. We should be thinking about providing a good gameplay experience to players first, then work around that to create a bot defense. Not the other way around.

[Jojoya]

I think the problem is that there's no incentive to keep gathering while we have low GP. We should be doubling or even tripling our GP regen rate when we are actually gathering. That would completely eliminate any desire to AFK for most people.

For example, change all Cordials to be a buff. Watered Cordial lasts 2 minutes, Cordial lasts 4 minutes, Hi-Cordial lasts 8 minutes, and during the buff, each gather action (hitting an item on a node, or hooking or hooksets when fishing) returns something like 10% (NQ) or 15% (HQ) of your max GP.

As to the risk of botting...well it's not like there aren't still bots. Current measures are clearly not effective against bots anyways. We should be thinking about providing a good gameplay experience to players first, then work around that to create a bot defense. Not the other way around.

What you're talking about is only an issue when you're only after the big fish. Otherwise there's plenty of incentive to keep gathering while waiting for GP to regen - it's more materials to use/sell and more XP earned if you're still leveling.

If you're after collectable or HQ items while fishing, there's still a 15% chance (30% if you're working on the relic tools) you'll get what you're after even if you don't have Patience active. You can get a few more while waiting for your GP to regen and that will get you out of there faster than AFKing while you're waiting for regen.

Needing to work around GP and learning the most effective way to use it is the only thing that makes gathering something other than a mindless slog. Increase GP regeneration too much and it might as well be removed altogether. Resources are only interesting when there's a chance you can run out so you need to manage them.

Do you mean the "fish sense something is amiss" thing? Yeah that is a really stupid design...

To stop it you have to fish one time at a different fishing spot (with a different name).

Don't even have to do that every time. Most of the time I'm fine if I just move to the other end of the fishing hole.

[Nezerius]

Don't even have to do that every time. Most of the time I'm fine if I just move to the other end of the fishing hole.

You're right in that you don't have to go to a different fishing hole every time that message pops up.

What might be less known is that there's two versions of the "fish sense something amiss" message. One applies after fishing at a single spot for x minutes (I think it's around 50?), the other applies when you leave a fishing hole, and return to the same fishing hole after a few hours. For some reason, the game registers your character as using that fishing hole even if you're doing something else entirely, in a different zone. This resets upon fishing at a different fishing hole.

So to answers OP's question about how to stop it from happening? If you haven't been at the fishing hole for a while, be sure to do a normal cast beforehand to see if you've been hit by the second message. Alternatively, fish at a different fishing hole if you're planning to do something else for a few hours, even if you don't have the right bait with you.
If the first message is the one that gets you, that's on you. The game gives you a warning about it, few minutes before it kicks in. Something along the lines of "the fish are starting to sense something is amiss, maybe it's time to move"

As for GP usage, I personally didn't have too much of an issue keeping Patience I rolling while going for the relic fish. Although this was with spamming hi-cordials (which should be easy enough to get nowadays) and making sure not to waste hookset uses on the wrong tugs.

[QooEr]

I think the problem is that there's no incentive to keep gathering while we have low GP. We should be doubling or even tripling our GP regen rate when we are actually gathering. That would completely eliminate any desire to AFK for most people.

For example, change all Cordials to be a buff. Watered Cordial lasts 2 minutes, Cordial lasts 4 minutes, Hi-Cordial lasts 8 minutes, and during the buff, each gather action (hitting an item on a node, or hooking or hooksets when fishing) returns something like 10% (NQ) or 15% (HQ) of your max GP.

As to the risk of botting...well it's not like there aren't still bots. Current measures are clearly not effective against bots anyways. We should be thinking about providing a good gameplay experience to players first, then work around that to create a bot defense. Not the other way around.

yeah what i mentioned wasnt a full fix of the problem, but moreso a small change thatd significantly improve things. afking for gp sure is.... riveting gameplay

i dont see them removing or changing how cordials work any time soon, but maybe they could add a trait that has a chance of restoring a significant amount of GP every time you finish gathering a node, or catch a fish, or gather something with max collectability (prob diff values for each).

honestly more than half the skills we have on gatherers are pretty useless as well, so they could change them as well to spice things up

[Zfz]

Well, in the mean time, does anyone know how to stop this from happening?

I'm only on my first step in the Skysteel tools chain and it's already so annoying I simply stopped trying twice.

I have to fish there because the quest REQUIRES me to do that. But I can't fish there because the game doesn't let me. How did everybody get through this?

[Tint]

Well, in the mean time, does anyone know how to stop this from happening?

I'm only on my first step in the Skysteel tools chain and it's already so annoying I simply stopped trying twice.

I have to fish there because the quest REQUIRES me to do that. But I can't fish there because the game doesn't let me. How did everybody get through this?

Do you mean the "fish sense something is amiss" thing? Yeah that is a really stupid design...

To stop it you have to fish one time at a different fishing spot (with a different name).

[Zfz]

Yeah I was specifically after the Skysteel fishing rod upgrade mats, and most fishes from these kind of fishing holes (i.e. places where most FSH players would have gone to fish) are worth little to nothing anyways. And because I AFK much longer than I play (sometimes for so long the game logs me out) because I'm working on other things, it happens a lot more "frequently" to me compared to someone who actually is paying attention to the game.

The AFK GP regen is also because I'm out of Hi-Cordials after having only finished my MIN and BTN Skybuilder Tools. I guess I just happened to have all the bad circumstances hitting me, having only returned recently to the game and done the gatherer leveling up and all that through the last week or so. If I had kept playing since 5.0 I probably would have like 999 Hi-Cordials to keep spamming. :3

Anyways, thanks everyone for the tips. I'll try to get into the habit of a normal cast beforehand.

[Kesey]

I agree with this thread, but at this juncture is the stat squish going to make this a none issue for a few more expansion cycles?

If all the stats are reduced I'm sure crafting and gatherering needs to be reblanced too.