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    KoiFishu's Avatar
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    Maiya Mai
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    Zodiark
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    Pugilist Lv 80

    Mentor System: Suggestion

    PROBLEM:
    As a somewhat new player, I understand that there are a lot of helpful players out there who are willing to help. But I can't seem to help but notice recently that a good majority of the players that has had the mentor unlock choose to harass new or somewhat new players than help them.

    I've seen this happen so frequently even in early dungeons where new players have been harassed for not not knowing certain things and mentors would make comments that, (to me and my friends), seem degrading and disheartening.

    I'm not experienced at all, I enjoy the game for the content it provides and the story. I absolutely love the game. I won't say I am the most experienced, however, I feel as if seeing these type of players more frequently will deter new players and/or encourage this type of unhealthy behavior.

    SUGGESTION:
    As a suggestion, I feel that the mentors should still be accountable for actions even after attaining the rank. For example, it IS possible to give 'negative commendation' or give a deduction vote because the mentor is harassing others or not acting as a mentor should. When they reach a certain amount of negative commendation, I think they should temporarily lose their mentor rank UNTIL they regain the amount of commendation required.

    It is a small thing to change, but it will discourage rude behavior, and encourage more friendly behavior. I would hate to see new players be deterred from the game and dungeons because individuals believe that they have gained the 'right' to do so with their experience.
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    Sturm Churro
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    Marilith
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    This looks to be typical mentor behavior, unfortunately. It seems to happen all the time. The game would be better off without the mentor system, same with the Novice Network in it's current state - which is my own suggestion.
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    Oscarlet Oirellain
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    I once refused to wear the mentor crown because they always seemed to be the ones that were rude in dungeons, but realised mentors with the sword icon tended to be nicer, so I started wearing that.

    Once I joined the novice network my negative perception of the mentor system transformed into something extremely positive. Over night, the constant answering of questions made me realise how useful this system really is.

    I think it's less of a problem with mentors and more of a problem with experienced players generally. They've done this content already and now just want to farm it or go through it efficiently with big pulls.
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    Capybara Friend
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    Depends how these negative comms would be given

    People in this game can be very petty and passive-aggressive in their toxicity...
    I would expect to get negative comms for playing a male au ra in skimpy clothing (sometimes), for not being a curebot, or for giving people tips on their job (yes, nicely).
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    Asuka Kirai
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    Mentors who act inappropriately, or invite those who are severely unruly, and show a pattern of it (inviting friends on alts who harass other players in the network) should be removed, and indefinitely so.

    In fact I would be a fan of the mentor system removed entirely, and creating an open server chat (essentially replacing the Novice Network) with much tighter moderation enforced.
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    Peter Redhill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    Mentors who act inappropriately, or invite those who are severely unruly, and show a pattern of it (inviting friends on alts who harass other players in the network) should be removed, and indefinitely so.

    In fact I would be a fan of the mentor system removed entirely, and creating an open server chat (essentially replacing the Novice Network) with much tighter moderation enforced.
    It's become such a shell of what they envisioned it to be. I agree with you the quicker they take it out back behind the woodshed and let it be done the better.
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    In fact I would be a fan of the mentor system removed entirely, and creating an open server chat (essentially replacing the Novice Network) with much tighter moderation enforced.
    SE barely moderates these forums, and you honestly expect them to moderate an on the fly, real time chat system? Not happening.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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    Asuka Kirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    SE barely moderates these forums, and you honestly expect them to moderate an on the fly, real time chat system? Not happening.
    Sorry, there was an implicit desire/recommendation. Not expectancy. Apparently, that wasn't clear enough.

    What one hopes for, and what one expects are 2 entirely different things. I don't think they will, but they should with some of the situations that have been happening as of late.
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    If there are negative commendations, perhaps only sprouts should be able to give them. Sprouts are who they are a making a first impression to and teaching the game to, and it's them who should be able to say a bad impression was left.

    If non-sprouts could give negative commendations, they might abuse it for reasons that have nothing to do with politeness.
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    Mirabelle Weaver
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    I would be blindly giving negative comms to every one I see tbh
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