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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansion View Post
    RDM seems mostly fine, I do think Embolden needs to buff all damage for the party and our own damage too (Fleche, Contre de Sixte, Corps à Corps and Displacement/Engagement not being buffed by Embolden and Manafication feels weird). I'd like Impact to be returned to its Stormblood iteration (being an upgrade to Jolt II and not needing a dedicated button, giving more importance to proc management).
    I don't want any AoE addition in our kit that would take the spot for something more interesting in our single target rotation. ShB gave every job more AoE tools, but no meaningful AoE situations in high end content, and dungeons weren't harder either.
    I think the main reason the OGCDs aren't buffed by Embolden/Manafication is so that they're used "when up" instead of holding them for Embolden windows. Having them get buffed would mean figuring out whether holding Contre for 15s and Fleche for 20s makes sense, or just hitting them at the end of the Embolden window makes sense. I makes for an "easier" rotation, just hit those when they're up. Though I agree with Displacement/Engagement and Corps, those line up fine, but also aren't a huge source of damage to care about them not being buffed.

    For Red Mage, what I'm really looking forward to is another button to press after our melee combo! /s

    What I'd like to see is something like:

    1) Ability that does different things depending on which mana is highest (or if they're balanced)

    2) A reason other than "this mana is lower" to pick Verholy or Verflare (e.g. Scorch turns into a different ability, like 2 different DoTs and you want to cycle between them to keep each up. Not exactly that, but something similar (putting a buff on you/the party)

    I agree with not wanting an addition to our AoE kit. People have been clamoring for a AE combo but please no. AE rotation for all classes is pretty "meh", and they should either make changes to everyone's AE combo, or just leave it as is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeonKeyh View Post

    I agree with not wanting an addition to our AoE kit. People have been clamoring for a AE combo but please no. AE rotation for all classes is pretty "meh", and they should either make changes to everyone's AE combo, or just leave it as is.
    I'd say ONE addition to AoE we could aggree on is to get VerHoly/Flare>Scorch do AoE damage after 4-5 Moulinets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalaam View Post
    I'd say ONE addition to AoE we could aggree on is to get VerHoly/Flare>Scorch do AoE damage after 4-5 Moulinets.
    As long as doing more than 4-5 Moulinets wouldn't break you out of that. For AE on trash pulls I'll typically get up to 90-100, Moulinet down to 40-60 and then Manafication and continue the Moulinets. Maybe a nice thing would be to have Moulinet give you a stack of a buff (for, say 10 seconds), once you hit 4 stacks you get access for Verholy/Verflare (or some other ability) and Scorch that is AE, with both "consuming" those stacks and dealing more damage depending on the number of stacks. It would make for a nice AE burst that would feel great. But yeah, otherwise just adding another ability to throw into the AE combo would be kind of disappointing.



    For melee as a whole (DRG is my "main" melee class) - I'd like to see the positional system improved upon (ducks). While it's something simple, I love Raiden Thrust on DRG. You combo starter is replaced with a higher potency ability if you hit your positional on a couple of abilities. I'd love to see a "more obvious" visual (maybe audible too) indicator that you hit your positionals. Not for anything other than it feels good whenever you see that pop up. Positionals are easy enough to hit, I just like the "good job" indication because it makes me feel good. Even if the functionality doesn't change, it would act as a nice little dopamine hit. -cough- I also want to see positionals give more of a bonus -cough-
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalaam View Post
    I'd say ONE addition to AoE we could aggree on is to get VerHoly/Flare>Scorch do AoE damage after 4-5 Moulinets.
    Almost everything is dead by the time you pool out enough mana to get 4 Moulinets though, at least in the current AoE situations in game (understand dungeons). Pooling 70/70 mana and doing 1 Moulinet, Manafication and 5 Moulinet is VERY strong. It really doesn't need anything more on top of it without nerfs to current potencies. But then as I said, nothing in this game requires so much bursty AoE.
    I'm okay for some kind of concession like 3 moulinets refresh Contre de Sixte and that's it, really. Having Verholy/Flare and Scorch cleave would be convenient in some niche situations (TEA P2 comes to mind).

    I'd like some mana-linked abilities indeed, a bit more micro management within the manabuilding phase would be welcome.
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    That's true, though you can have it ready for the next pull.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalaam View Post
    That's true, though you can have it ready for the next pull.
    Yes ! And everything will die very fast too in that next pull, which means realistically you might see an AoE finisher twice or three times in a whole dungeon... (And it's not optimal to hold some Moulinets I believe- depending on how many enemies you are hitting, but min maxing is another debate!)
    You see where I'm going there; if anything needs to be added to RDM's AoE, the overall design should change, otherwise the buildup for a proper AoE finisher would be too long. While they could add things like Moulinet granting Dualcast for an extra Impact, or Moulinet reduces Contre de Sixte's cooldown.
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