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  1. #111
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    Xeorran Kalia'shearra
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    Not my group, but I believe it would happen because I've seen people get kicked for less.
    I've seen tanks get kicked for not sprinting.
    I've seen healers get kicked for not DPSing.
    I've seen people get kicked because they need to swap the batteries in their mouse.
    People have been kicked for aything you can imagine.
    And given people will kick for stuff like this, a system like this would make it so much worse, we've seen threads about big pulls vs small pulls, healers not dpsing, dps should stand in aoe's, anything and everything in the name of reducing a run by even a few seconds. But having a full team of 80's with their kits kept, we're starting to reach BLU levels of dungeon speed. If people will kick others for a few seconds/minutes off of a run, you can be assured they'll do it to shave 5-10 minutes.
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  2. #112
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush View Post
    . If people will kick others for a few seconds/minutes off of a run, you can be assured they'll do it to shave 5-10 minutes.
    This is why SE needs to make to new players to certain content can't be kicked (especially dungeons). Would instantly fix that issue from happening.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  3. #113
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    This is why SE needs to make to new players to certain content can't be kicked (especially dungeons). Would instantly fix that issue from happening.
    No, I'm completely against this. Just because a player is new doesn't mean they won't cause problems. And I'm not talking about just performance. I've encountered some sprouts who used very colourful language when they ended up in a situation they didn't like. I rarely see toxicity when I use DF in this game, but I still think it's important for players to be able to remove someone who is making the instance unpleasant. Anyway getting kicked can also teach something. If a player knows they got kicked for a specific thing they did, they may be slow to do it again.
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  4. #114
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    Elan Centauri
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    This is why SE needs to make to new players to certain content can't be kicked (especially dungeons). Would instantly fix that issue from happening.
    It wouldn't make the dungeon/tria/raid any faster or slower, and it wouldn't solve anything otherwise. How about no. Terrible, terrible idea. I'd rather not suffer through a piece of content while John/Jane Doe sits at the start AFK knowing they can't be kicked, because if something can be abused it most certainly will be.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 04-06-2021 at 08:51 AM.
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    Personal Housing
    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

  5. #115
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    It wouldn't make the dungeon/tria/raid any faster or slower, and it wouldn't solve anything otherwise. How about no. Terrible, terrible idea. I'd rather not suffer through a piece of content while John/Jane Doe sits at the start AFK knowing they can't be kicked, because if something can be abused it most certainly will be.
    So which is it? Do we protect new players from veteran abuse, or do we let new players abuse other people?

    If you're so sure that veterans WILL abuse the system, which for some reason so many do, then new players need protected.

    Then you're going to say, that new players can't have that protection because they'll abuse it? It's nothing more than circular reasoning fallacy.

    I really think people overestimate how often this stuff actually happens.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  6. #116
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    So which is it? Do we protect new players from veteran abuse, or do we let new players abuse other people?

    If you're so sure that veterans WILL abuse the system, which for some reason so many do, then new players need protected.

    Then you're going to say, that new players can't have that protection because they'll abuse it? It's nothing more than circular reasoning fallacy.
    We let the system as is because it's working as intended, and leave what abuse that can happen to the GMs to sort out. Neither side needs to be "protected". They both need to act accordingly. A system that doesn't play favorites is the best system when it comes to game moderation.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 04-06-2021 at 09:55 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
    Personal Housing
    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

  7. #117
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    This is why SE needs to make to new players to certain content can't be kicked (especially dungeons). Would instantly fix that issue from happening.
    That fixes half the issue while creating many more problems, ignoring all the caused problems it'll just make people make premade's, defeating the point of getting people into the DF, again, braking a system that is currently working.
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    Last edited by BlitzAceRush; 04-06-2021 at 11:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    This is why SE needs to make to new players to certain content can't be kicked (especially dungeons). Would instantly fix that issue from happening.
    Generally, if they did figure out the tech to allow such a level sync to work. I would not be against they made it so the timer to kick a first time bonus is like 10 min or something. Maybe I could get behind that, would not be a fan but yeah.
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  9. #119
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    This is why SE needs to make to new players to certain content can't be kicked (especially dungeons). Would instantly fix that issue from happening.
    No thanks. My group just kicked a sprout tank yesterday. He wouldn't use tank stance or aoe despite being told the ability names, and I was tanking as the healer. Good riddance. It was not sastasha but a level 50 dungeon.
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  10. #120
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    I really think people overestimate how often this stuff actually happens.
    I dont think anyone is saying this stuff happens all the time. Its between uncommon and rare at this point. But that doesnt mean that it isnt happening, and it doesnt mean we should make big sweeping changes that could make things worse. I have never initiated a vote kick for someone who was online, and have never voted to kick someone who didnt truly deserve it(including filling out the follow up report after they were removed a few times). Im 1000 times more likely to nope right out of the run and eat the penalty. I also know that i dont represent everyone. However, I do understand that making a class of people immune to being kicked would lead to problems just as much as giving people reasons to not want to play with newer players would lead to problems.
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