Major changes needed for housing

[Arillyn]

Yes, hence why I said they could have the leader do it at their personal housing.

Alternatively, if people want privacy, allow a special room from the FC leader's house that FC members can get into from the outside door.

Or they could move it to the GC barrack.

I disagree with this wholeheartedly. If any housing is removed from wards it should be personal housing and FCs should stay in the wards. And I say this with having a personal house. FCs have uses for housing that personal houses don't have access too and FCs give housing to more people overall. I don't think SE will remove either from wards, but FC > personal in wards if they were to change that stance.

Edit: I understand now why you are pushing for FC housing to not be a thing and it to be personal housing only in wards, and let personal housing somehow tie FC access if a leader wants to do that. This character (if your main or alt IDK) isn't in a FC. But for your idea to work, SE would have to do more than just make wards personal only. They would have to re-program multiple things to for your idea. And frankly, it's a bad idea. FC housing is something many, many FCs worked hard to get and still do. There is more tied to FC housing and many FCs use their house a lot. When the FC I'm in got our large it was during the great Christmas demolition - it was insane! And this was before the housing price drop. It cost us around 90 mil gil. We all worked HARD to earn that gil and we sat on it for a while, waiting for more housing to open up. And we still use it all the time.

[linayar]

FCs have uses for housing that personal houses don't have access too

That's what the post you quoted is about.

FCs give housing to more people overall.

Well, the point is to fix the supply problem for all characters in a world so they all can have housing if they want to.

Edit: I understand now why you are pushing for FC housing to not be a thing and it to be personal housing only in wards, and let personal housing somehow tie FC access if a leader wants to do that. This character (if your main or alt IDK) isn't in a FC.

This character is currently not in an FC, but most of my gaming time in FFXIIV has been spent within an FC with a house surrounded by multiple houses owned by members, including my own.

But for your idea to work, SE would have to do more than just make wards personal only. They would have to re-program multiple things to for your idea. And frankly, it's a bad idea. FC housing is something many, many FCs worked hard to get and still do. There is more tied to FC housing and many FCs use their house a lot. When the FC I'm in got our large it was during the great Christmas demolition - it was insane! And this was before the housing price drop. It cost us around 90 mil gil. We all worked HARD to earn that gil and we sat on it for a while, waiting for more housing to open up. And we still use it all the time.

What multiple things would have to be reprogrammed? The instanced nature of housing makes it easy to make special rooms within a house. That's why you can have FC workshops and even FC rooms.

[LianaThorne]

snip

I've said this probably 5 times now: housing does exist for everyone already. They're called apartments. You can easily own property RIGHT NOW. I know that you don't want an apartment but that doesn't stop them from existing and claiming that there isn't enough housing to go around is a complete lie. The issue is that you just don't want an apartment and want an easy method to getting a house, which is a massive slap in the face to those who already went through camping for plots. And then you also want to take away their hard work so you can have a plot? No. That's selfish and you don't deserve to profit off of someone else's efforts.

Like I said Square has two options: make apartments more appealing or punish those who are actively exploiting the system. If they choose to do neither, then I listed the only 3 options us as a community will have. If you don't want to camp or pay for an apartment or an FC then I guess housing will not be for you.

It really grinds my gears how people in this thread are so willing to just throw hundreds of people under the bus and take away their hard work because of a handful of people exploiting the system. It's an incredibly selfish mentality to have. I'm sorry that this housing system isn't to the specifications that some would like it to have, but it used to be worse. I get that camping sucks and that you have to compete with bots, but it's not hard to beat them either. Find a solution that doesn't involve stripping innocent players of their houses that they invested time and millions of gil into (My boyfriend and I have probably sunk well over 100-200m and dozens of hours into our designing our houses and I'll put up one hell of a fight to keep them because of it).

[linayar]

I've said this probably 5 times now: housing does exist for everyone already. They're called apartments. You can easily own property RIGHT NOW. I know that you don't want an apartment but that doesn't stop them from existing and claiming that there isn't enough housing to go around is a complete lie. The issue is that you just don't want an apartment and want an easy method to getting a house, which is a massive slap in the face to those who already went through camping for plots. And then you also want to take away their hard work so you can have a plot? No. That's selfish and you don't deserve to profit off of someone else's efforts.

Like I said Square has two options: make apartments more appealing or punish those who are actively exploiting the system. If they choose to do neither, then I listed the only 3 options us as a community will have. If you don't want to camp or pay for an apartment or an FC then I guess housing will not be for you.

It really grinds my gears how people in this thread are so willing to just throw hundreds of people under the bus and take away their hard work because of a handful of people exploiting the system. It's an incredibly selfish mentality to have. I'm sorry that this housing system isn't to the specifications that some would like it to have, but it used to be worse. I get that camping sucks and that you have to compete with bots, but it's not hard to beat them either. Find a solution that doesn't involve stripping innocent players of their houses that they invested time and millions of gil into (My boyfriend and I have probably sunk well over 100-200m and dozens of hours into our designing our houses and I'll put up one hell of a fight to keep them because of it).

I don't want anything.

I just see that people don't want apartments and SE doesn't have any plan to improve apartments so people want to have apartments. SE wants to keep adding new residences and new wards (including apartments) and people still aren't satisfied because they don't want apartments and houses are limited.

So my suggestion is simply in regard to the housing supply. SE probably won't do it, but it's at least in line with what they're continuing to do. I'm content either way.

[Jojoya]

I just see that people don't want apartments and SE doesn't have any plan to improve apartments so people want to have apartments.

Except SE has talked about improving apartments. We just don't know if they've done any work on it and when we might see those improvements in game if they have.

Personally I suspect apartment improvements might have been put on the back burner while they focused on Island Sanctuary. Some seem to feel it will be a partial solution to housing demand. Instead I think it's going to make things worse as players expect to have their Island Sanctuary on top of housing.

[linayar]

Except SE has talked about improving apartments. We just don't know if they've done any work on it and when we might see those improvements in game if they have.

Maybe they have, but so far, it's always just been about new wards or new residences. We'll see if there is ever any change.

Personally I suspect apartment improvements might have been put on the back burner while they focused on Island Sanctuary. Some seem to feel it will be a partial solution to housing demand. Instead I think it's going to make things worse as players expect to have their Island Sanctuary on top of housing.

Speaking of that, why do people assume there will be some sort of housing related to Island Sanctuary? Was it said in an interview somewhere or is it similar to a feature in FFXI?

I didn't play FFXI, so the closest thing I could compare it to is probably WoW's garrison, except without tying it power progression or making any specific building.

[ItMe]

Speaking of that, why do people assume there will be some sort of housing related to Island Sanctuary? Was it said in an interview somewhere

It was not said in an interview.
As far as I can tell it is simply wishful thinking.

[Jojoya]

Speaking of that, why do people assume there will be some sort of housing related to Island Sanctuary? Was it said in an interview somewhere or is it similar to a feature in FFXI?

I didn't play FFXI, so the closest thing I could compare it to is probably WoW's garrison, except without tying it power progression or making any specific building.

It's people jumping to conclusions. YoshiP said in an interview that Island Sanctuary was inspired by Stardew Valley/Harvest Moon type games. Since those usually have a house the player can customize, some took it to mean that Island Sanctuary will have housing as well. SE doesn't gain anything by withholding that information if it was included so it's extremely unlikely housing is part of Island Sanctuary. There's always a chance they could keep reworking the concept in the future (just as they kept reworking the original Diadem concept into Eureka and finally Bozja) until housing becomes part of it but that would make little sense when SE already has two other housing systems (wards and apartments) in the game to utilize.

WoW Garrison is exactly what I think of when I review what was said about Island Sanctuary.
Personal instance? Check.
Able to grow things? Check.
Minions (companion pets) able to run around? Check.
Mostly solo content? Check.
Garrisons didn't have "animal raising" but the Barn was an option for medium plots that would yield hides and meat (why else would we raise animals?).

I do not want to see the Garrison disaster repeated here.

[Divinemights]

I don't think Island Sanctuary will be another Garrison disaster.
Some general raw materials maybe obtainable but never key components for new gear crafting.

[Tommara]

It really grinds my gears how people in this thread are so willing to just throw hundreds of people under the bus and take away their hard work because of a handful of people exploiting the system.

Um, what? I missed that part. I certainly haven't advocated it.

Edited note: Edited for ethical reasons. What I said was a trap. Because I suspect your mind set is "zero sum game", i.e., by someone else gaining what you have, it somehow lessens what you have. If that is not what you meant, I'd much appreciate it if you explained. I just don't get the "zero sum game" logic in this situation. Although as a Japanese American, I get it in real life.