Major changes needed for housing

[Vahlnir]

But that's just apartments. And there are those already.

Make apartments with purchasable add on rooms - 300,000 gets you the current, 1,700,000 gets you down stairs, 8,000,000 gets you upstairs, 2,000,000 gets you an instanced garden.

(Or just do what other games allow and make a fully instanced housing system with the lot, available on mogstation)

No, it's not. What is being discussed are 2 completely different things.

[LianaThorne]

God forbid you to criticize a clearly subpar system implementation, and god forbid you to criticize the unnecessary effort and leaps that people are required to go through in order to just simply get a house. It's hardly about effort. The fact the very system has on several occasions attracted means of botting and auto-clicking in order to get a house says something very substantial about it. Of any given approach they went with to solve people buying and selling houses between players they went with the absolutely worst possible implementation. Don't try and fabricate a narrative that people expect everything handed to them when there's clear issues with the system.

1. Never said the system was fine or said people can't criticize it. Ya'll can have whatever opinion you want and criticize whatever you want. I'm sorry if I'm not in agreement on points but I'm just speaking on the reality of what we have and the potential of what will happen if they choose to not change anything.

2. The system used to be worse. It's still far from perfect but it used to be worse than this.

3. Botting and other forms of game manipulation would be here with or without housing being the way it is.

4. Forgive me for thinking that people should put in effort to get rewards. Chalk it up to how I was raised but that's how I view it.

Like I said, ya'll can have whatever opinion you want, same as I can and I don't expect my opinion to change anyone's mind. That still won't stop me from voicing my thoughts.

[Kaurhz]

1. Never said the system was fine or said people can't criticize it. Ya'll can have whatever opinion you want and criticize whatever you want. I'm sorry if I'm not in agreement on points but I'm just speaking on the reality of what we have and the potential of what will happen if they choose to not change anything.

2. The system used to be worse. It's still far from perfect but it used to be worse than this.

3. Botting and other forms of game manipulation would be here with or without housing being the way it is.

4. Forgive me for thinking that people should put in effort to get rewards. Chalk it up to how I was raised but that's how I view it.

Like I said, ya'll can have whatever opinion you want, same as I can and I don't expect my opinion to change anyone's mind. That still won't stop me from voicing my thoughts.

I said that in order to solve the issue they went with the worst possible implementation. I never even remotely implied the default system was fine or even better. Hence why it was addressed in the first place; it was obviously unfit for the direction the game was going. Why add a randomized hidden timer in the first place? A fixed visible timer of one hour would've achieved the same goal without people resorting to using an auto-clicker en masse. The issue here is you implied someone is asking for what is essentially a freebie system without requiring any effort which is false, and just a narrative you tried painting on it- There's no universe where an acceptable housing system should encourage the use of discord, autoclickers, or sat around for several hours before getting a house. It isn't even remotely healthy, and before someone comes out and cries the game doesn't require you to sit around and camp it, I said it encourages that behavior- As it is the most efficient option.

I never said it wasn't, nor did I even imply it, I simply said people are botting and autoclicking the placard to try and get a house- You know something that otherwise shouldn't exist in a perfectly reasonable system, at least to this gravity. It's 1 thing that people would bot getting Gil, but the simple fact they're botting the placard too says plenty of the broken system.

No, you see, this is the narrative that you wanted to spin on it in order to try and justify the appalling system. Had they been complaining about the price of housing then I'd have been in agreement. But they were discussing the system itself.

[LianaThorne]

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I gave you a response, I'm sorry if it wasn't to your liking. I never said the system was perfect or that it should be the permanent solution, I said that I'm speaking on the reality of what we have now and the potential of what we'll have in the future if nothing is changed. Because, the harsh reality is, this system is probably not changing and the farms we're getting are the compromise for that.

And again, it was said that this system was too much effort in which myself and others also gave alternatives to avoid having to sit and camp all day. Those were basically ignored. I feel like you didn't read all of my posts and are fixating on one just because you didnt like the language used.

For the last time, you can have whatever opinion you want, I'm just not going to always agree and that's fine. You can't please everyone and you'll encounter people with differing opinions in your life. You won't change my mind, same as I won't change anyone's here.

[Kaurhz]

I gave you a response, I'm sorry if it wasn't to your liking. I never said the system was perfect or that it should be the permanent solution, I said that I'm speaking on the reality of what we have now and the potential of what we'll have in the future if nothing is changed. Because, the harsh reality is, this system is probably not changing and the farms we're getting are the compromise for that.

And again, it was said that this system was too much effort in which myself and others also gave alternatives to avoid having to sit and camp all day. Those were basically ignored. I feel like you didn't read all of my posts and are fixating on one just because you didnt like the language used.

For the last time, you can have whatever opinion you want, I'm just not going to always agree and that's fine. You can't please everyone and you'll encounter people with differing opinions in your life. You won't change my mind, same as I won't change anyone's here.

I'm glad that I can agree on that much; that the system is far from perfect or should be a permanent solution. Nor did I really imply that is what you were thinking in the first place.

This point links back to one of my original points "and god forbid you to criticize the unnecessary effort and leaps that people are required to go through in order to just simply get a house. It's hardly about effort. The fact the very system has on several occasions attracted means of botting and auto-clicking in order to get a house says something very substantial about it." - Using the in-game features it's a disgusting implementation and should not really require external sources like sitting in discord servers as compensation for an already extremely poor system. - With the community of discord servers and such largely helping to drive what is an inherently flawed system. So chalk it up to expecting everything handed down on a plate- But I will continue to chalk the entirety of it up to very poor in concept, and extremely poor in implementation.

Some of the suggestions were effectively akin to pretty much largely gimping your chances in getting a plot. If you aren't camping that plot, then your chance of getting the plot in the first place is pretty low. Especially on a highly populated server; luck-driven. as is the entirety of the system itself. This is an inherent flaw of the system. It should not incite, nor should it provoke players to sit and camp a plot, or play the click game for the entirety of the duration they're sat at the placard. Whether or not their intention was this or not is irrelevant, this is the result of a blatant ill-considered implementation.

Oh, you got the plot after sitting there for 20 minutes, whilst clicking fairly infrequently. Well done; you as everyone else who gets a house on this system have done so largely by virtue of luck.

[LianaThorne]

I'm glad that I can agree on that much; that the system is far from perfect or should be a permanent solution. Nor did I really imply that is what you were thinking in the first place.

This point links back to one of my original points "and god forbid you to criticize the unnecessary effort and leaps that people are required to go through in order to just simply get a house. It's hardly about effort. The fact the very system has on several occasions attracted means of botting and auto-clicking in order to get a house says something very substantial about it." - Using the in-game features it's a disgusting implementation and should not really require external sources like sitting in discord servers as compensation for an already extremely poor system. - With the community of discord servers and such largely helping to drive what is an inherently flawed system. So chalk it up to expecting everything handed down on a plate- But I will continue to chalk the entirety of it up to very poor in concept, and extremely poor in implementation.

Some of the suggestions were effectively akin to pretty much largely gimping your chances in getting a plot. If you aren't camping that plot, then your chance of getting the plot in the first place is pretty low. Especially on a highly populated server; luck-driven. as is the entirety of the system itself. This is an inherent flaw of the system. It should not incite, nor should it provoke players to sit and camp a plot, or play the click game for the entirety of the duration they're sat at the placard. Whether or not their intention was this or not is irrelevant, this is the result of a blatant ill-considered implementation.

Oh, you got the plot after sitting there for 20 minutes, whilst clicking fairly infrequently. Well done; you as everyone else who gets a house on this system have done so largely by virtue of luck.

I feel like we're having the same conversation over and over again. So I'm just going to point you to the last post I made as a response to this one. You've repeated your stance multiple times as have I. I don't see anything else productive coming from this conversation. You can have your opinion and I can have mine. It's perfectly fine to not agree or like mine just like it's perfectly fine for me to not agree with parts of yours or other people's. Repeating the same thing over and over to me isn't going to change my mind same as nothing I say will change yours. I personally don't have an issue with the system as much as other people and that's fine for me to view it like that. I'm a blunt person and direct so while I will apologize for the word choice I used, I also don't take back anything I've said in this thread either.

[Tommara]

Using the in-game features it's a disgusting implementation and should not really require external sources like sitting in discord servers as compensation for an already extremely poor system. - With the community of discord servers and such largely helping to drive what is an inherently flawed system.

I completely agree, although housing in this game is of no interest, having known much better and has no purpose other than to satisfy those who want to play a LEET version of The Sims.

But these comments also strike another issue with this game I find troubling as a returning player. I started playing FF14 at release. I remember failing over and over to learn mechanics.

Now the message for newbs is "watch the videos and stop wasting my time".

Or sit in Discord, in the case of housing.