Major changes needed for housing

[LianaThorne]

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Again, this is punishing FCs that have done nothing wrong. I've had friends in both Aether and Primal that were in solo or duo FCs with their significant other that are active and own housing that they camped for. Just because a minority of people (and yes it is a minority, feel free to browse ward listings in your spare time) abuse it to take over a ward or have more than one FC does not mean the majority that does nothing wrong should be punished alongside them.

There are actually only 2 options Square has if instanced private housing isn't going to be a thing:

1. Improve apartments so that more people are interested in purchasing them. There are literally hundreds if not thousands of open apartments in every server which is plenty of room for everyone. The issue is people want more than just one room but at the same time are turning down an easy opportunity to own property until you can acquire a house.

2. Remove the excess housing from FCs that are PROVEN to own multiple FC estates and change it so that purchasing FCs run in the same fashion as purchasing personal property: one house per account for a total of a max 2 properties to be owned by any one person (private & FC).

If neither of those two options happen and this system is what is going to be staying in place permanently, everyone has 3 options:

1. Camp for a plot like everyone else. When my boyfriend and I got our first house he beat out 5 bots and 10 actual players for it. Fight for it like everyone else and stop using bots as an excuse to not.

2. Buy an FC with a house attached to it/an apartment and accept it.

3. Don't participate in housing.

[Vickii]

They just need to close any loopholes that enable you to sell a plot to another player.

When ishgard is released there should be no reason for anyone to buy a house besides them wanting that house for their use.

Need to get rid of any other incentives to buy as it’s already highly in demand without this.

[LianaThorne]

They just need to close any loopholes that enable you to sell a plot to another player.

When ishgard is released there should be no reason for anyone to buy a house besides them wanting that house for their use.

Need to get rid of any other incentives to buy as it’s already highly in demand without this.

Personally I don't have an issue with people selling plots to each other, it's how some are able to actually obtain their dream plots if they don't have a high end PC with prime load times to beat out other people relocating. It's still me wanting to use the house for housing, so saying that plots shouldn't be taken for any reason other than housing doesn't make sense because they plots are they're ending up with people who are using them for housing.

At the end of the day, they can't really remove selling to other people unless they remove relocations as a whole. I'm also not a fan of that because I like having the option to move if a plot I like shows up.

There's a phrase people like to use: "Housing is savage." because it is. It's every man, woman, *insert identifier here*, for themselves. I can't even count the times anymore that I've had someone relo into a plot I was camping, but that's just part of housing now. Don't give people courtesy because no one else will give you it when it comes to housing. Just sit and camp like everyone else and pray that today is your lucky day. If you can't camp because of real life reasons or just pure laziness, have a friend camp for you on your account or open an FC and have multiple people trying to get the house for you when the FC is eligible. There are always options. Punishing the whole for the mistakes of a few isn't going to fly. Why should everyone lose the right to move to a new plot just because one group in a server wants to exploit it? Punish the offenders, not the innocent.

[Tommara]

Personally I don't have an issue with people selling plots to each other, it's how some are able to actually obtain their dream plots if they don't have a high end PC with prime load times to beat out other people relocating. It's still me wanting to use the house for housing, so saying that plots shouldn't be taken for any reason other than housing doesn't make sense because they plots are they're ending up with people who are using them for housing.

At the end of the day, they can't really remove selling to other people unless they remove relocations as a whole. I'm also not a fan of that because I like having the option to move if a plot I like shows up.

There's a phrase people like to use: "Housing is savage." because it is. It's every man, woman, *insert identifier here*, for themselves. I can't even count the times anymore that I've had someone relo into a plot I was camping, but that's just part of housing now. Don't give people courtesy because no one else will give you it when it comes to housing. Just sit and camp like everyone else and pray that today is your lucky day. If you can't camp because of real life reasons or just pure laziness, have a friend camp for you on your account or open an FC and have multiple people trying to get the house for you when the FC is eligible. There are always options. Punishing the whole for the mistakes of a few isn't going to fly. Why should everyone lose the right to move to a new plot just because one group in a server wants to exploit it? Punish the offenders, not the innocent.

That pretty much encapsulates why I've been posting in this thread, despite having zero interest in FF14 housing.

"Housing is savage".

Which is just stupid on the devs part. Regardless if it's because of technical limitations or is deliberate.

[Vickii]

Personally I don't have an issue with people selling plots to each other, it's how some are able to actually obtain their dream plots if they don't have a high end PC with prime load times to beat out other people relocating. It's still me wanting to use the house for housing, so saying that plots shouldn't be taken for any reason other than housing doesn't make sense because they plots are they're ending up with people who are using them for housing.

At the end of the day, they can't really remove selling to other people unless they remove relocations as a whole. I'm also not a fan of that because I like having the option to move if a plot I like shows up.

There's a phrase people like to use: "Housing is savage." because it is. It's every man, woman, *insert identifier here*, for themselves. I can't even count the times anymore that I've had someone relo into a plot I was camping, but that's just part of housing now. Don't give people courtesy because no one else will give you it when it comes to housing. Just sit and camp like everyone else and pray that today is your lucky day. If you can't camp because of real life reasons or just pure laziness, have a friend camp for you on your account or open an FC and have multiple people trying to get the house for you when the FC is eligible. There are always options. Punishing the whole for the mistakes of a few isn't going to fly. Why should everyone lose the right to move to a new plot just because one group in a server wants to exploit it? Punish the offenders, not the innocent.

I just feel that if they make it so you only buy a plot because you want it, it would solve a lot of problems. Yes someone in your example got their dream plot because another player sold it to them. But they’d be able to get their dream plot if that first player didn’t buy it to begin with.

There are many ways to make Gil in the game. Housing is a feature and shouldn’t be made to appeal to botters and opportunists. Remove those and there’s far less demand when the new plots are opened.

[LianaThorne]

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I've said this probably 5 times now: housing does exist for everyone already. They're called apartments. You can easily own property RIGHT NOW. I know that you don't want an apartment but that doesn't stop them from existing and claiming that there isn't enough housing to go around is a complete lie. The issue is that you just don't want an apartment and want an easy method to getting a house, which is a massive slap in the face to those who already went through camping for plots. And then you also want to take away their hard work so you can have a plot? No. That's selfish and you don't deserve to profit off of someone else's efforts.

Like I said Square has two options: make apartments more appealing or punish those who are actively exploiting the system. If they choose to do neither, then I listed the only 3 options us as a community will have. If you don't want to camp or pay for an apartment or an FC then I guess housing will not be for you.

It really grinds my gears how people in this thread are so willing to just throw hundreds of people under the bus and take away their hard work because of a handful of people exploiting the system. It's an incredibly selfish mentality to have. I'm sorry that this housing system isn't to the specifications that some would like it to have, but it used to be worse. I get that camping sucks and that you have to compete with bots, but it's not hard to beat them either. Find a solution that doesn't involve stripping innocent players of their houses that they invested time and millions of gil into (My boyfriend and I have probably sunk well over 100-200m and dozens of hours into our designing our houses and I'll put up one hell of a fight to keep them because of it).

[linayar]

I've said this probably 5 times now: housing does exist for everyone already. They're called apartments. You can easily own property RIGHT NOW. I know that you don't want an apartment but that doesn't stop them from existing and claiming that there isn't enough housing to go around is a complete lie. The issue is that you just don't want an apartment and want an easy method to getting a house, which is a massive slap in the face to those who already went through camping for plots. And then you also want to take away their hard work so you can have a plot? No. That's selfish and you don't deserve to profit off of someone else's efforts.

Like I said Square has two options: make apartments more appealing or punish those who are actively exploiting the system. If they choose to do neither, then I listed the only 3 options us as a community will have. If you don't want to camp or pay for an apartment or an FC then I guess housing will not be for you.

It really grinds my gears how people in this thread are so willing to just throw hundreds of people under the bus and take away their hard work because of a handful of people exploiting the system. It's an incredibly selfish mentality to have. I'm sorry that this housing system isn't to the specifications that some would like it to have, but it used to be worse. I get that camping sucks and that you have to compete with bots, but it's not hard to beat them either. Find a solution that doesn't involve stripping innocent players of their houses that they invested time and millions of gil into (My boyfriend and I have probably sunk well over 100-200m and dozens of hours into our designing our houses and I'll put up one hell of a fight to keep them because of it).

I don't want anything.

I just see that people don't want apartments and SE doesn't have any plan to improve apartments so people want to have apartments. SE wants to keep adding new residences and new wards (including apartments) and people still aren't satisfied because they don't want apartments and houses are limited.

So my suggestion is simply in regard to the housing supply. SE probably won't do it, but it's at least in line with what they're continuing to do. I'm content either way.

[Jojoya]

I just see that people don't want apartments and SE doesn't have any plan to improve apartments so people want to have apartments.

Except SE has talked about improving apartments. We just don't know if they've done any work on it and when we might see those improvements in game if they have.

Personally I suspect apartment improvements might have been put on the back burner while they focused on Island Sanctuary. Some seem to feel it will be a partial solution to housing demand. Instead I think it's going to make things worse as players expect to have their Island Sanctuary on top of housing.

[linayar]

Except SE has talked about improving apartments. We just don't know if they've done any work on it and when we might see those improvements in game if they have.

Maybe they have, but so far, it's always just been about new wards or new residences. We'll see if there is ever any change.

Personally I suspect apartment improvements might have been put on the back burner while they focused on Island Sanctuary. Some seem to feel it will be a partial solution to housing demand. Instead I think it's going to make things worse as players expect to have their Island Sanctuary on top of housing.

Speaking of that, why do people assume there will be some sort of housing related to Island Sanctuary? Was it said in an interview somewhere or is it similar to a feature in FFXI?

I didn't play FFXI, so the closest thing I could compare it to is probably WoW's garrison, except without tying it power progression or making any specific building.

[ItMe]

Speaking of that, why do people assume there will be some sort of housing related to Island Sanctuary? Was it said in an interview somewhere

It was not said in an interview.
As far as I can tell it is simply wishful thinking.