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[KizuyaKatogami]

In this case of “bad karma” i guess Raubahn decides to die too since he didn’t guard the sultana from being poisoned.

[Theodric]

In this case of “bad karma” i guess Raubahn decides to die too since he didn’t guard the sultana from being poisoned.

Why stop there? How many characters has the Warrior of Light failed to protect?

More seriously, although he doesn't look it...Arenvald's only nineteen. If we're going to blame someone for Noraxia not being guarded properly, maybe we can look at the simple fact that the Scions had numerous veterans to call upon but chose to entrust such an important task to a novice?

Not that it'd have made much difference, I'd wager. Everybody there at the time was either captured or killed. Arenvald's presence likely would not have made much difference.

[Enkidoh]

The whole scene with the Garleans storming the place is visually fairly vague. Like, with how violent they were being, there was no reason for them to actually spare Urianger, Tataru, or Papalymo. Particularly Tataru. They literally killed everyone else, even the gear mender and the unarmed Ala Mhigan espionage guy.

When you enter the Waking Sands, there are more corpses on the floor than when Livia strikes the killing blow on Noraxia. Only Urianger, Tataru, and Papalymo are lead out alive. We never learn why.

The Archons were spared and arrested by the Garleans because of their potential intelligence and information they might possess that would be useful to the Garleans, specifically concerning the Echo and Primals (you see this later in a scene in Castrum Centri where Livia is seen torturing Minfilia for information about the Echo) - the main fatalities in the Waking Sands were just random adventurers and Ul'dahan Immortal Flames guards and hence 'cannon fodder'. Tataru being the doorgirl and secretary also would have knowledge of the comings and goings of the organisation, and especially potential whereabouts of the actual target of the raid (who wasn't even there) - you, the adventurer who became the Warrior of Light - so she was arrested too.

Remember, Lahabrea had possessed Thancred by this stage and would have had access to his memories and knowledge - he would have known exaxctly who would have been the most important for information to the Garleans, and simply instructed Livia on who to seek out. Also the Garleans' long standing hatred for the beastmen meant Livia's especially brutal killing of Noraxia was hardly unexpected - the poor little sylph was not even a sentient being in Livia's eyes, just yet another monster to be put down.

The attack on the Waking Sands was to gain information about the Echo, specifically it's protection from Primal tempering, and in particular capture one particularly potent Echo user that had started making a name for themself as the 'Eikon Slayer', but failing to apprehend you, the Sharlayan Archons along with the Scions' leader and her secretary would naturally be the most useful, everyone else in there is simply expendable (and thus slaughtered). Also, Livia herself kills one of her own troops for being too bloodthirsty (as I recall the soldier was in such a frenzy he was basically butchering an already dead corpse with a spear), so it was zigzagged as to the Garleans unnecessarily brutal response on the place.

Either way, the attack on the Waking Sands somewhat failed in it's objectives - it was to capture the future Warrior of Light in order to gain some insight into how the Echo protects against tempering, but Livia utterly failed in that objective, and so simply arrested the next best thing - Minfilia, Tataru and the Archons who she hoped at least would field some useful info. Everyone else sadly in the Waking Sands at the time was superflorous, and thus condemmed to death for being witnesses to the attack.

If Arenvald had stayed and guarded Minfilia and Noraxia, he would have almost certainly been killed by Livia anyway, a noble death is still a death that would have been totally avoidable.

[FrightfulNight]

Why stop there? How many characters has the Warrior of Light failed to protect?

More seriously, although he doesn't look it...Arenvald's only nineteen. If we're going to blame someone for Noraxia not being guarded properly, maybe we can look at the simple fact that the Scions had numerous veterans to call upon but chose to entrust such an important task to a novice?

Not that it'd have made much difference, I'd wager. Everybody there at the time was either captured or killed. Arenvald's presence likely would not have made much difference.

This reminds me of a certain questline

Woe betide the man who stands opposed to the Weapon of Light, for death will be his reward. Death for him and his kin and all that he holds dear.
Woe betide the man who stands with the Weapon of Light, for death will be his reward. Death for him and his kin and all that he holds dear.

I am going to miss Job Stories going forward, hopefully the new role quests taking place on the Source have returning characters and storylines from them.

Going back to the original topic Job storylines are supposed to occur in the expansion they take place in, Just because a character takes on a new role or moves on does not mean that their previous appearence needs to be altered for instance

Estinien still appears in his original attire in the 30-50 DRG questline and still is trying to get revenge on Nidhogg and still gets possessed at the end even if you already completed 3.3 because it is supposed to take place in ARR, the same would apply for the lvl 80 SMN quest in ShB

[MrThinker]

The Archons were spared and arrested by the Garleans because of their potential intelligence and information they might possess that would be useful to the Garleans, specifically concerning the Echo and Primals (you see this later in a scene in Castrum Centri where Livia is seen torturing Minfilia for information about the Echo) - the main fatalities in the Waking Sands were just random adventurers and Ul'dahan Immortal Flames guards and hence 'cannon fodder'. Tataru being the doorgirl and secretary also would have knowledge of the comings and goings of the organisation, and especially potential whereabouts of the actual target of the raid (who wasn't even there) - you, the adventurer who became the Warrior of Light - so she was arrested too.

Remember, Lahabrea had possessed Thancred by this stage and would have had access to his memories and knowledge - he would have known exaxctly who would have been the most important for information to the Garleans, and simply instructed Livia on who to seek out. Also the Garleans' long standing hatred for the beastmen meant Livia's especially brutal killing of Noraxia was hardly unexpected - the poor little sylph was not even a sentient being in Livia's eyes, just yet another monster to be put down.

The attack on the Waking Sands was to gain information about the Echo, specifically it's protection from Primal tempering, and in particular capture one particularly potent Echo user that had started making a name for themself as the 'Eikon Slayer', but failing to apprehend you, the Sharlayan Archons along with the Scions' leader and her secretary would naturally be the most useful, everyone else in there is simply expendable (and thus slaughtered). Also, Livia herself kills one of her own troops for being too bloodthirsty (as I recall the soldier was in such a frenzy he was basically butchering an already dead corpse with a spear), so it was zigzagged as to the Garleans unnecessarily brutal response on the place.

Either way, the attack on the Waking Sands somewhat failed in it's objectives - it was to capture the future Warrior of Light in order to gain some insight into how the Echo protects against tempering, but Livia utterly failed in that objective, and so simply arrested the next best thing - Minfilia, Tataru and the Archons who she hoped at least would field some useful info. Everyone else sadly in the Waking Sands at the time was superflorous, and thus condemmed to death for being witnesses to the attack.

If Arenvald had stayed and guarded Minfilia and Noraxia, he would have almost certainly been killed by Livia anyway, a noble death is still a death that would have been totally avoidable.

How exactly did Arenvald survive? I remember him saying that he was somehow protected by the Miqo'te and Elezen whose names both began with A, but not much else.