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[KizuyaKatogami]

Why do we need "impactful consequences" at every turn? They can just be there as characters. I enjoyed seeing them interact and have some fun moments in the story, and there was serious emotional development as well. Thancred and Ryne went through a lot, and Tesleen's death had a big impact on Alisaie. G'raha waited a hundred years to save us, and nearly lost his chance - and sure it turned out okay in the end, but you can still appreciate just how much he went through along the way.

The story isn't somehow a waste of time just because nobody got killed or physically injured along the way.

Considering it’s the expansion labeled as the grittiest and darkest of them all against the strongest foes so far, the expansion should have impactful consequences. Having a one-sided story just makes things dull. If people want a wholesome cute story there’s other games for that. Tesleen’s impact on Alisaie lasted about until after Holminster switch where after she was completely forgotten about in the next areas. Graha’s waiting a hundred years development comes off as really shallow to me considering a lot of his development is based around his plot armor which we see numerous times.I'm not asking for impactful consequences at "every turn". But if an expansion is advertised the way it was, again that being dark and gritty, it really should have consequences and not just be wholesome moments simulator."

[Iscah]

Tesleen’s impact on Alisaie lasted about until after Holminster switch where after she was completely forgotten about in the next areas.

Not talking about her constantly is not the same thing as forgetting her.

Of course it's going to have a lasting impact even if she's not dwelling on it.

[GoldStarz]

Considering it’s the expansion labeled as the grittiest and darkest of them all against the strongest foes so far, the expansion should have impactful consequences. Having a one-sided story just makes things dull. If people want a wholesome cute story there’s other games for that. Tesleen’s impact on Alisaie lasted about until after Holminster switch where after she was completely forgotten about in the next areas. Graha’s waiting a hundred years development comes off as really shallow to me considering a lot of his development is based around his plot armor which we see numerous times.

The fact that we have a semi-functional cure for Tempering can be directly traced back to Alisae's connection to Tesleen and the others stationed at The Inn at Journey's Head and her wanting to heal them from their corruption by the Sin Eaters in 5.X, what are you even talking about?

[WhiteArchmage]

Considering it’s the expansion labeled as the grittiest and darkest of them all against the strongest foes so far, the expansion should have impactful consequences. Having a one-sided story just makes things dull. If people want a wholesome cute story there’s other games for that. Tesleen’s impact on Alisaie lasted about until after Holminster switch where after she was completely forgotten about in the next areas. Graha’s waiting a hundred years development comes off as really shallow to me considering a lot of his development is based around his plot armor which we see numerous times.

She talks about Tesleen as a Trust in Malika's Well, too. She has a dialogue about doing it for Tesleen, so she's not forgotten at all. It's sort of like the Ga Bu thing, just because he's not constantly mentioned doesn't mean the narrative has forgotten about him. Heck, her stubborn (and succesful) attempts to cure Halric are implied to be because of her, too, since Tesleen gave her life to give him more time to live.

These moments ARE impactful for the characters, even if they're not mentioned constantly, like how Alphinaud's failure with the Crystal Braves is still influencing his actions even if they haven't been mentioned since HW.

I'd like to see the Scions survive 6.0, but then go their separate ways. They can be brought back into the story if needed at times (sort of like Cid and Nero) but they wouldn't be our adventuring party anymore.

And I say this as someone whose favourite character is a Scion. I also agree that there's probably not much they can do with them post-EW, but I'd like to see them get nice retirements and be happy.

I agree with this so much, especially to make room for the "B-team" Scions: Coultenet and Hoary Boulder had their own off-screen adventures in Thavnair and even completed the Trials of the Brave (!) while escorting F'Lahminn. They're our perfect guides to Thavnair. Poor Arenvald has been side-lined to the SMN lvl 80 quest...

[KizuyaKatogami]

The fact that we have a semi-functional cure for Tempering can be directly traced back to Alisae's connection to Tesleen and the others stationed at The Inn at Journey's Head and her wanting to heal them from their corruption by the Sin Eaters in 5.X, what are you even talking about?

Yes but Alisaie herself got shoved to the side after that. She semi absent in il mheg,absent in raktika, and absent for a majority of the return to amh araeng. We don’t get to see any of the actual impact until the patches where she returns to halric and even then it’s meh.

[Kesey]

Yes but Alisaie herself got shoved to the side after that. She semi absent in il mheg,absent in raktika, and absent for a majority of the return to amh araeng. We don’t get to see any of the actual impact until the patches where she returns to halric and even then it’s meh.

The scions are an ensemble cast. You can't have every character in the forefront of the story (other than the player character/WOL) all the time.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I'm woolly on this, really. I don't mean a literal death. No one else pays my sub! But a lateral one is up for grabs, for sure. Perhaps a mostly dead. But yes, probably not what they're aiming for (bleh). I'm really just being cheeky with the Dawn (Father-but-I'm-a-mother)/Azim/Azem thing, just stretching for angles is all.

Spoiler for Guild Wars 2, of all things:

Happened in Guild Wars 2, mind. Your main char died a death because stupid happened, and had to get out of a bad place and back to life. Strings were pulled, cards were played. I was a necromancer anyway, it was all in good fun. Frankly, my only quibble was not being able to Raise Self. I'm not opposed to it happening anywhere else.

Eh, not really fussed, no ponies in the race. What will be will be and I'll probably end up buying something from the Mog Station.

Or they're telling me in a roundabout way Emet's back for my WoL. I'm good with that. It's probably not that.

Yeah my whole idea was maybe either emet or elidibus would yank our soul out and we’d get a 1 on 1 finally with Zodiark but alas it didn’t happen :c

[Kesey]

Yeah my whole idea was maybe either emet or elidibus would yank our soul out and we’d get a 1 on 1 finally with Zodiark but alas it didn’t happen :c

I won't deny that Emet or Elidibus had plans for the WOL, but it was pretty clear that weren't looking for you have your soul yanked out. They also would have scoffed at the idea that the WOL would fight Zodiark, as they see Zodiark as a literal god above men.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I won't deny that Emet or Elidibus had plans for the WOL, but it was pretty clear that weren't looking for you have your soul yanked out. They also would have scoffed at the idea that the WOL would fight Zodiark, as they see Zodiark as a literal god above men.

I didn’t mean 1 on 1 as in...we fight him. I meant 1 on 1 as in finally have a conversation with him lol. I think it could’ve been a potential plot point, especially given the whole Azem thing. 5.3 was just rushed and changed so who knows what could’ve happened :/

[KizuyaKatogami]

The scions are an ensemble cast. You can't have every character in the forefront of the story (other than the player character/WOL) all the time.

Right, but at that point it was really only development for thancred and ryne. Urianger had none, Yshtola’s was solely raktika, alphy’s solely kholusia. It just felt really dry.