still new in tanking, is it bad if i didnt use all my skill?

[gumas]

short story is i run as tank and i just tank normally. but several times during my run (4 times as iam typing this now) i got people in my party said that my tank is bad

the gist is that i dont use all my skill (using PLD for example), i still use the core one obviously, halone combo, shield throw, AOE prominence etc and off course the defense skill too (rampart, sentinel, reprisal)

but i almost never use the one like requiescat, holy spirit/circle etc, and this got some people "mad" on me because i didnt play my tank correctly.

basically my tank is just pull enemy, spam prominence AOE 2-3 times and spam halone combo on enemy until everything die, defense skill if necessary and face enemy outside my party

is that wrong? should i also use the holy spirit/circle requiescat combo too? stuff like divine veil, reprisal, cover etc?

[Darkmoonrise]

Well technically, you don't use your tank at it full potential. If this is good or not, is a totally different question. And a never ending question according to this forum. You're doing the minimum of what is awaited from a tank, which is already good.

On a personal point of view, I would notice it and sigh a little bit, but won't get mad. I don't know your story or whatever. In extreme or savage, that's a no go. But normal, I don't care anymore.

P.S. actually PLD is the most easy tank to "catch" not using its full toolkit : if MP full for more than 20 seconds -> full kit is not used. This applies to DRK as well, not sure about the other anymore, too long since I played them.

[Mavrias]

yes, you should be using all your damaging abilities. not sure why this is even a question. also don't single target when there are more than two mobs, this is like second grade level math, read ya tool tips.

reprisal is another defensive and cover is situational.

[Recon1o6]

pld's aoe rotation includes req-holy circle for a reason. Given how pld's mp restore is enough time with some left over to be maxed for req when it comes off cooldown there's no excuse not to

[Sorzai]

Honestly, I think that if it's just a regular dungeon and not end game then it's fine. As long as you are able to pull big mobs and hold aggro, you're golden. Except for end game content then that's different

[Lynesse]

Gumas, you're always so nice!

Think of killing things faster as a form of damage mitigation.

https://ffxivrotations.com/32kb

This is a good starting point. Practice this or a variation of it.

I use Rampart right before I stop running to protect myself from the first wave of autoattacks. Feel free to place it after the first Total Eclipse.

In a lot of pulls, I ignore the first Total Eclipse combo altogether and go right into Requiescat.

There isn't much finesse here. If you use your CDs as often as possible, you'll get more DPS.

[Yuletide]

perhaps the party is just frustrated because you are not using your defense skills when it matters. popping Rampart when you've pulled 2 mobs is a waste, and the next time you almost die to 6+ mobs your healer will be very stressed.

[Vahlnir]

If you aren't using your full kit or even half of it effectively then...yes, it is bad.

[Wiccan026]

If you aren't using your full kit or even half of it effectively then...yes, it is bad.

Meh I understand your point, the train of thought, and the true logic behind it... I do disagree with it personally on a certain level.

If I tank a dungeon as a Paladin I will only use my magic DPS rotation about fifty to sixty percent of the time and I never start out with it. My main reasoning is I have died in several dungeons, regardless of cooldown usage and other factors while trying to play at my best due to healers realizing their full part and/or limitations.

Granted, the other ones that don't heal with MP, I don't approach at all like this, it's really just how I play Paladin... although I really only tank dungeons and old roulettes, if I did do Savage again I would have to play a job that I would feel far more comfortable using my full rotation.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

I'll be honest, you should always approach dungeons as, pick up pack with AoE combos, Requiescat into Holy Circle spam into Confiteor, Hallowed around half HP. I may Fight or Flight, if trash is around 50% or higher, and rampart, saving Sentinel for the next set of trash. if I haven't used FoF on the first set, because DPS is good I'll use it on the second set, otherwise Requiescat is usually coming off cooldown by the time I've wrangled up the next set. I typically will not adjust this since there is 0 excuse, that healers and dps can't meet the requirement especially at 80, if they have the ilvl to get in, they should be more than capable to deal with any lvl 80 dungeon pull.

If you're making the most out of your cooldowns and doing as much as you can to pump out dps, yet you still go down, that's either on the healers or the DPS for not pulling their weight. But you should never save cooldowns or hold buffs because of just in case something bad happens, emergencies, it typically doesn't help in the end at that point. If anything making use of your skills properly prevents those emergencies happen in the first place, outside of people just failing mechanics outright.

I have had painfully slow expert runs, taking over 20+ minutes without a single wipe on boss or trash, simply because the DPS was atrocious, I still did not deviate from what I usually do, I shouldn't have my gameplay suffer due to incompetence of the rest of the party, nor hold anything for just in case.