Tools they could add besides DPS meters... (For endgame)

[ZedxKayn]

That is why I keep mentioning that the issue with elitists is their low self esteem which results in them getting hooked and attached to video game performance, they want to believe they "deserve" things while others dont thus they are "better" yet if they truly knew that internally they wouldnt be so desperate for external sources to tell them that such as video game achievements, elite rewards etc. (And more importantly they wouldnt often actively try to fight against anything that might lead to the sharing of the rewards with other players such as devs making the rewards available through other sources)

Like... Are you projecting or something? What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to do to think that wanting your rewards for succeeding something you put of lot of work towards to NOT be handed out to just anyone is a self-esteem issue?

Clearing Savage and Ultimate takes a lot of time and effort, but it's rewarding when you do and release the good chemicals. Knowing that you did this with everyone in your party having put time into studying their job in the encounter feels even greater. Knowing you did it with someone who treated this as an expert roulette actually feels bad.
So yes if you're say and BLM doing less damage than a SCH, you might get the clear but you won't have earned it, it won't be deserved, because it's simply unacceptable in high-end content. It will be handed to you on a silver platter by the rest of your party, quite literally carrying you with their gear.

Elitists often talk about this iconic low skilled player that is incapable of doing things well or learning but that is rarely my experience

What experience? You literally don't have a single job at 80. You can't access the current savage tier. You genuinely don't know what you're talking about here. And don't even mention your WoW experience, WoW and XIV are not the same game with a different community.



Once again, you say over and over "it's a video game sweaty " but so what? This could apply to a lot of other activities.
The rewarding feeling of knowing you achieved something you put a lot of time and effort into with people who tried as hard as you did is GREAT, and giving out rewards is like... A motivator, a staple, it's one of the very bases of video game design. Players performs a feat? They get something to show for it. Player doesn't? They don't. Thinking the latter does is extremely entitled and disrespectful towards those who put time and effort towards achieving it. Do you think everyone not just participating, but trying to participate in the Olympics should get a gold medal?

So basically, want something? Work for it. And while it unfortunately happens, don't feel entitled to be carried when you're not performing at the level expected from a given group content.

[Kaurhz]

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If you did an adequate amount of research before putting your fingers on the keyboard you'd realize the person has a Level80 Ninja. Lol

Besides, his position within the game irrespective of much or little doesn't invalidate what opinion(s) the person has when it is in response to someone creating hyperbole in order to try and validate some absurd prerogative. When you use the duty finder (and party finder therein) in order to prog content you already relinquish your right to create expectancies, if you don't like it; create your own group of individuals to tackle the content as people will eventually fall short of the bar for a wide variety of reasons.

[ZedxKayn]

If you did an adequate amount of research before putting your fingers on the keyboard you'd realize the person has a Level80 Ninja. Lol

I did actually, just yesterday (or was just a few minutes ago?) his NIN was still at 75, on the forum and the lodestone both. Then I invite you to do your own research and check his gear on the lodestone: you can't enter savage with scaevan gear.

Besides, his position within the game irrespective of much or little doesn't invalidate what opinion(s) the person has when it is in response to someone creating hyperbole in order to try and validate some absurd prerogative. When you use the duty finder (and party finder therein) in order to prog content you already relinquish your right to create expectancies, if you don't like it; create your own group of individuals to tackle the content as people will eventually fall short of the bar for a wide variety of reasons.

No, people are allowed to have expectations in savage content. That's why I left parties with dead weights when I pugged last tier, or kicked them when I was the party owner. I didn't join a WL2 prog to not even get past add phase.

[Kaurhz]

I did actually, just yesterday (or was just a few minutes ago?) his NIN was still at 75, on the forum and the lodestone both. Then I invite you to do your own research and check his gear on the lodestone: you can't enter savage with scaevan gear.



No, people are allowed to have expectations in savage content. That's why I left parties with dead weights when I pugged last tier, or kicked them when I was the party owner. I didn't join a WL2 prog to not even get past add phase.

Then I will invite you to read my post: "Besides, his position within the game irrespective of much or little doesn't invalidate what opinion(s) the person has.."

If you engage in any form of combat activities in this game that require group participation then you're perfectly within the boundary to give an opinion on the matter. People will underperform irrespective of whether the content is a daily routine, savage, or Ultimate. Whether or not this argument of his was done on insufficient research or experience, or not is one thing, but to attempt to dismiss it or undermine it outright is nonsense.

Let me clarify; they're in no position to cry about it, especially those that are crying have more than likely on several occasions been on the same footing of underperforming, people knew what they were getting into when they elected to go through with progressing with pugs. Different people will progress at different rates, and thus inconsistencies are likely to occur so wipes would be expected before the specified phase that you wish to progress.

[ZedxKayn]

Then I will invite you to read my post: "Besides, his position within the game irrespective of much or little doesn't invalidate what opinion(s) the person has.."

If you engage in any form of combat activities in this game that require group participation then you're perfectly within the boundary to give an opinion on the matter. People will underperform irrespective of whether the content is a daily routine, savage, or Ultimate. Whether or not this argument of his was done on insufficient research or experience, or not is one thing, but to attempt to dismiss it or undermine it outright is nonsense.

Let me clarify; they're in no position to cry about it, people knew what they were getting into when they elected to go through with progressing with pugs. Different people will progress at different rates, and thus inconsistencies are likely to occur so wipes would be expected before the specified phase that you wish to progress.

An opinion sure, but how much credibility does it have?
I think they can be undermined, like I'm going to undermine the opinion of someone who's hardest PvE content cleared is Totorak trying to talk about their inexistent Expert trials experience.

Or for example I really don't think someone hardstuck bronze in LoL has any business talking about what it's like being in Grandmaster.
The level is different, what they are facing is different, the level of play expected of them is different, it's pretty much playing an entirely different video game at this point, and this applies to everything with a wide skill floor/ceiling gap.

So yes I really don't think his opinion on something he does not partake in holds any weight, just like I don't think my opinion on expert crafting when I seldom do more than macro does, and the "walking into a topic with (endgame) in the title without a job at 80 at the time and crying about toxic elitists being too entitled" doesn't make it any better.