Tools they could add besides DPS meters... (For endgame)

[Ralph2449]

So a basic opener is inflated in an Extreme Trial fight? That's literally the barest of minimum expectations to have of anyone.

Anyone=Elitist=/=Devs who design said fights

Your desire to have above required dps for an encounter so you can skip mechanics pretty much proves that it is not the real minimum expectation, it is the inflated exception you created and you admitted this.

it's certainly annoying, worthy of being brought up

Indeed, can you imagine having to stop dps at times to do mechanics? Truly a fate I would not wish to my worst enemy when their ego clearly depends on their dps
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No decently designed game requires perfect uptime and that includes the occasional times you have to move out cuz someone send a pool your way.

And now we see you throwing "elitism" around for even the slightest disagreement. Not everyone wants to perform at the barest minimum and just "get by".

You see, nobody would have a problem with people who "like to improve themselves" if some of said people werent obnoxious and tried to force their standards on others and thus influence their playstyle and the community with their own inflated requirements.

I like to improve myself for my own sake, yet tryhards almost always will start demanding others do the same even when the dps is more than the minimum requirement and what is causing people problems is mechanic failures.

If everyone shared their mentality, they wouldn't meet the DPS check

And once again we see your elitism by your belief that if people arent religious tryhards they must not be good players or care about improving their performance, clearly anyone who speaks out about elitism must be a terrible player, it cant be that they are simply against elitism and your type of behavior and are more than happy to help others get through fights by having above average performance without expecting external sources to congratulate them and tell them how elite they are.

what the devs intended is, frankly, irrelevant. The community decisions what standards exists.

the community has spoken

Ah yes, the tryhard elitists who know better than anyone should decide such things, like in WoW where people demand 226 gear for content that requires 200 and rewards 213 gear, that is wrong, the community, see elitists who like to tell others what to do and what is right always inflate requirements for their own benefit therefore the standards they create are false and shouldnt be given a second thought exactly because we know they are ridiculously inflated.

players criticising them for doing so are "elitists"?

"on the backs of better players"
"If you aren't capable of doing so, you have no business joining."
"perform at the barest minimum and just "get by""
"for players to essentially leech—queuing into content woefully above their skill level"
"some of us opted to learn how to improve"
"they can't be bothered to put in any effort beyond the barest of minimums"
"having no idea what they're doing"
"players who don't know their job"
Healthy people dont go around calling people leeches for not doing what you do or go around desperately inflating your own performance by calling people below it incapable/getting by and always implying that these "underperformers" are so bad they have no idea what they are doing, that is a very psychologically unhealthy attitude which not only is bad for you, it hurts the community and the game and therefore I will always be against it.

Honestly your post was a perfect example of what I ve been saying in my posts about elitists, from your attitude to all the demeaning things you try to say about anyone not on your performance level.

Your definition of fun isn't the holy grail.

Because I did not define fun, that is based on the context, what I said was certain types of fun are unhealthy, wrong and lead to delusions which are a bad thing, hence my example of a player having fun 2 shoting people in pvp by playing a broken class, that feeling of "fun" is wrong, is not deserved and it is unhealthy because it leads to delusions.

And I am absolutely not saying people should be forced to only be healthy and do good things, it is your life and it is your choice, but the line is drawn the moment your behavior is affecting others negatively, and tryhard elitists have been proven to ruin games and communities, best example being WoW and especially their latest xpac where that mentality of yours is everywhere.

Scenarios like Mikey_R are not "extremely rare"

Someone staying alive yet dealing 10% of their job's performance(Unless of course you go by some ridiculously inflated coordination heavy metric things like pink parses) and groups where literally everyone somehow is exactly at the minimum DEV based dps requirements, that scenario is extremely rare though I do know certain people like to exaggerate which is why I said people need to be honest with themselves, that person might as well have believed his own exaggeration to support his belief, it is still an exaggeration.

they cleared they're above criticism despite using outdated gear.

Another perfect example of tryhardism, god forbid you do the encounters without full bis which isnt need or required by actual dev standards,what's next, are you gonna get annoyed when people beat encounters with green-grey parses?