My first experience at tanking

[Shin96]

That's because tanking has become progressively easier. It used to be far more dangerous to pull wall to wall, it was certain death unless your resources were viable enough to live through the day. With that said, some people already mentioned that there's little to no risk for DPS pulling. Therefore, it's something they can do because the game allows it.

Another issue I encounter is complacency by tanks themselves. Alot of tanks just put up with it without putting a slap on their wrist. The only way to solve this issue is to make DPS so squishy in dungeons that pulling anything would immediately be a suicide call. I'd personally welcome that.

[Vahlnir]

Another issue I encounter is complacency by tanks themselves. Alot of tanks just put up with it without putting a slap on their wrist. The only way to solve this issue is to make DPS so squishy in dungeons that pulling anything would immediately be a suicide call. I'd personally welcome that.

It's not so much complacency as it is efficiency. Sure, I could let that dps die (and they'd deserve it) but that would slow things down. There's also the fact that anything said dps pulled would go to the healer almost immediately, and I will always defend my healer. I'm not about to slow my pace, or stop entirely, just to teach someone else a hard lesson since that negatively impacts the group instead of the individual. Thankfully I rarely encounter this because I go pretty fast myself, but don't always mistake a tank's inaction for complacency. Most of the time it's faster/easier to just grin and bear it. I would support squishy dps in dungeons though.

[MPK]

Nah, much easier and more fun to play to play dps. So I'll do that instead.

Edited Note: and fun is the bottom line, right?

And I don't think you even bothered to read this thread, which in my OP wasn't about dying, but rather about impatient DPS pulling stuff that didn't need to be pulled.

Nobody died. The healer and I dealt with it, but as a dps player these days, I thought them very stupid, and not fun to play with.

And so my point is: don't be that dps player that makes tanks and healers not want to queue because you make it not fun for them to play with you.

Dude pulling wall to wall and killing everything while watching the xp drop is like the most satisfying thing in the world. Save everyone some time and just do it

[Vaern]

I laugh but how is this also not considered toxic also?

I mostly tank but I do not understand this mindset. In the grand scheme tank playstyle does not change be it three mobs or twenty. Group success is largely based around the healer and overall group dps.

It's a simple rule : "If you pull something you tank it."
As a main tank it is extremely fun to see a DPS running around and trying to kite mobs because they aggro'd it before you.

Memes aside I do agree with what Vahlnir explained. Efficiency is important to me, especially in duty finder because I know it can take a while. You wanna pull mobs too ? Fine, they'll die in no time to AoEs anyway.

[linayar]

Just put on tank stance, use your AOE moves, and go at your own pace (just make it a reasonable pace).

If they're smart, the non-tank impatient puller will pull to you (or rescue you if healer) and make your life easier unless those enemies just happen to drop lots of ground AOEs.

If they're not smart, well, they can wait for you to get there and, in the meantime, feel like a hero fighting solo.

If you do wipe, then just say to slow down as people are usually willing to do that after a wipe.

[WoW]

Just keep them busy with big pulls. Problem solved.

[VirusOnline]

Are you correlating dps queue times to the few dps who go power crazy ?
Because it's simply not true. dps will always outnumber tanks because dps naturally lack responsibility/leadership and therefore generally identified as more fun.

As a dps and as a tank and as a healer (I main one of each), I want everything to be pulled. Pull it all and watch them all fall. Now, it depends on the role I'm playing if I have to adjust my playstyle to the group i.e. as a SCH I may not have the ability to do certain pulls. Or as a tank I have to consider if my group has the dps to pull wall to wall alongside my healer who has the ability to maintain.

I notice that some people have issues with control as well in public groups. Just because you are a tank doesn't mean you dominate everyone and everything. It simply means you take aggro. It doesn't mean you are leader and how dare anyone attempt to take your lead. As long as the group isn't imploding, do what your role demands of you, not what you demand of your team.
It sounds like you have a boring playstyle tbh. Maybe it's in your best interest to stay a dps/support.

[Reinha]

Edited Note: and fun is the bottom line, right?

And so my point is: don't be that dps player that makes tanks and healers not want to queue because you make it not fun for them to play with you.

If fun is the end goal then you shouldn't be surprised that other players make things fun for them in ways that conflict with your fun. There isn't just one way to have fun like there is one way to be efficient or fast. Pulling everything might have been their idea of the best time ever. Did you ask them what they wanted?

[Awha]

It's a simple rule : "If you pull something you tank it."
As a main tank it is extremely fun to see a DPS running around and trying to kite mobs because they aggro'd it before you.

Memes aside I do agree with what Vahlnir explained. Efficiency is important to me, especially in duty finder because I know it can take a while. You wanna pull mobs too ? Fine, they'll die in no time to AoEs anyway.

That this the thing that mindset is dated. It serves no real purpose since in this game not much changes for the tank when it comes to trash. It is mostly a comfort thing and and senseless tank flex that helps and serves nothing.

[Vahlnir]

That this the thing that mindset is dated. It serves no real purpose since in this game not much changes for the tank when it comes to trash. It is mostly a comfort thing and and senseless tank flex that helps and serves nothing.

Yeah, I used to be one of those tanks a long time ago in WoW, and when I tried tanking on PLD in this game at the start. At the end of the day it accomplishes nothing but punishing the whole group by wasting everyone's time.