My first experience at tanking

[Saefinn]

I think DPS queues aren't as bad as they could be. At least thinking back to when I got bored of questing on WoW with my Warlock and wanted to try levelling through dungeons and gave up because the queues were so damn long.

But I get there can be a disincentive to tank when there is a wall. The way I think of it, dungeons like Satasha are so forgiving that it leaves room for people to practice without it being detrimental. I don't like DPS who pull either because I feel the tank should control the pace of what they and the healer can handle. Fortunately I know how to tank well enough for that to not be an issue for me, but I can appreciate how it is for people learning or are new, that it can be more frustration.

At the end of the day the tank & healer know their level of experience. But I feel sometimes the best thing you can do maybe at the start is to say "first time tanking" or "hi I'm a new tank" and maybe add a cheeky "please go easy on me". I've seen people do it and generally I find myself watching them more to pace myself or help them if there's a problem. EG: if I'm a DPS and I see a mob attacking the healer, I attack that mob, get aggro and pull it to the tank or even offer advice if I spot something that might help them.

[Tommara]

I think DPS queues aren't as bad as they could be. At least thinking back to when I got bored of questing on WoW with my Warlock and wanted to try levelling through dungeons and gave up because the queues were so damn long.

But I get there can be a disincentive to tank when there is a wall. The way I think of it, dungeons like Satasha are so forgiving that it leaves room for people to practice without it being detrimental. I don't like DPS who pull either because I feel the tank should control the pace of what they and the healer can handle. Fortunately I know how to tank well enough for that to not be an issue for me, but I can appreciate how it is for people learning or are new, that it can be more frustration.

At the end of the day the tank & healer know their level of experience. But I feel sometimes the best thing you can do maybe at the start is to say "first time tanking" or "hi I'm a new tank" and maybe add a cheeky "please go easy on me". I've seen people do it and generally I find myself watching them more to pace myself or help them if there's a problem. EG: if I'm a DPS and I see a mob attacking the healer, I attack that mob, get aggro and pull it to the tank or even offer advice if I spot something that might help them.

Then you're a great player in my opinion, and my criticisms don't apply to you.

Edited Note: reflections on WoW - it's pretty easy to level alts in WoW regardless of what you do, primarily because you need to play a separate toon, and so have access to the whole plethora of quests, unlike FF14, which while you can make a separate toon, it's not the optimal way to do it.

[MPK]

Bro just pull wall to wall, pop cooldowns and aoe (depends on your level ofc).

[Kanosi1980]

I recently returned after not playing since the beginning of Stormblood and I play a Paladin primarily. I have not had any issues with DPS or Healers while PUG grouping. In fact, everyone has been patient and understanding as I learn or re-learn the dungeons.

[Tommara]

Bro just pull wall to wall, pop cooldowns and aoe (depends on your level ofc).

Nah, much easier and more fun to play to play dps. So I'll do that instead.

Edited Note: and fun is the bottom line, right?

And I don't think you even bothered to read this thread, which in my OP wasn't about dying, but rather about impatient DPS pulling stuff that didn't need to be pulled.

Nobody died. The healer and I dealt with it, but as a dps player these days, I thought them very stupid, and not fun to play with.

And so my point is: don't be that dps player that makes tanks and healers not want to queue because you make it not fun for them to play with you.

[MPK]

Nah, much easier and more fun to play to play dps. So I'll do that instead.

Edited Note: and fun is the bottom line, right?

And I don't think you even bothered to read this thread, which in my OP wasn't about dying, but rather about impatient DPS pulling stuff that didn't need to be pulled.

Nobody died. The healer and I dealt with it, but as a dps player these days, I thought them very stupid, and not fun to play with.

And so my point is: don't be that dps player that makes tanks and healers not want to queue because you make it not fun for them to play with you.

Dude pulling wall to wall and killing everything while watching the xp drop is like the most satisfying thing in the world. Save everyone some time and just do it

[Reinha]

Edited Note: and fun is the bottom line, right?

And so my point is: don't be that dps player that makes tanks and healers not want to queue because you make it not fun for them to play with you.

If fun is the end goal then you shouldn't be surprised that other players make things fun for them in ways that conflict with your fun. There isn't just one way to have fun like there is one way to be efficient or fast. Pulling everything might have been their idea of the best time ever. Did you ask them what they wanted?

[Saefinn]

Nah, much easier and more fun to play to play dps. So I'll do that instead.

Edited Note: and fun is the bottom line, right?

And I don't think you even bothered to read this thread, which in my OP wasn't about dying, but rather about impatient DPS pulling stuff that didn't need to be pulled.

Nobody died. The healer and I dealt with it, but as a dps player these days, I thought them very stupid, and not fun to play with.

And so my point is: don't be that dps player that makes tanks and healers not want to queue because you make it not fun for them to play with you.

MPK is a local troll, I wouldn't take much of what they say seriously. Wall to wall pulling is a thing you'd probably end up doing once you're more familiar with tanking and if you are geared, if your healer can handle it and if it's sensible for that dungeon. Else wall to wall pulling all the time can end in wipes if you're not geared enough, if you're not experienced enough and if your healer can't keep up. Speaking as somebody who has healed and tanked many wall to wall pulls, I've had healers totally rock it and healers who struggle to keep up. I've had tanks that don't require me to work hard to keep them alive and tanks where their health is hanging by a thread.

Some tanks do as MPK said even after the first wipe where it's obvious it's not gonna work...and wipe again...and still not learn

[CKNovel]

MPK is a local troll, I wouldn't take much of what they say seriously. Wall to wall pulling is a thing you'd probably end up doing once you're more familiar with tanking and if you are geared, if your healer can handle it and if it's sensible for that dungeon. Else wall to wall pulling all the time can end in wipes if you're not geared enough, if you're not experienced enough and if your healer can't keep up. Speaking as somebody who has healed and tanked many wall to wall pulls, I've had healers totally rock it and healers who struggle to keep up. I've had tanks that don't require me to work hard to keep them alive and tanks where their health is hanging by a thread.

Some tanks do as MPK said even after the first wipe where it's obvious it's not gonna work...and wipe again...and still not learn

More like a "Bruh" generator than a troll.
Especially when in ARR there is mobs you want to avoid since they're a waste of time.

This topic reminds me of SB where tank stance, dropping tank stance for extra damages and Quelling Strikes were still a thing. I've had one experience with 3 premade (SAM/BLM/WHM) that adamantly ignored my request about using Quelling Strikes, pulling every pack/bosses themselves no matter what, even if there was a tankbuster coming, the SAM would take it and the WHM would do anything to keep them alive. Which ended up in a massive waste of time.

Don't be the one that wants to go faster but ends up causing a crash.

[Saefinn]

More like a "Bruh" generator than a troll.
Especially when in ARR there is mobs you want to avoid since they're a waste of time.

This topic reminds me of SB where tank stance, dropping tank stance for extra damages and Quelling Strikes were still a thing. I've had one experience with 3 premade (SAM/BLM/WHM) that adamantly ignored my request about using Quelling Strikes, pulling every pack/bosses themselves no matter what, even if there was a tankbuster coming, the SAM would take it and the WHM would do anything to keep them alive. Which ended up in a massive waste of time.

Don't be the one that wants to go faster but ends up causing a crash.

"Bruh Generator" I like that one, I think it's an apt description of the persona they're using.

Oddly, I miss tank stance dancing...but I was er...a different kind of offender when it comes to tank stories, my friend was the healer and she still yells at me for it..maybe I should stop bringing it up. So, to bring it up:

This was from when strength tanking was a thing for tanks to boost their DPS. I went overboard on my DRK, I was not high-geared at the time, I think I just met the iLevel for the dungeon we were running, which was bad enough, I was a new DRK. Add that DRK was generally more squishy until you learned to play it properly. My health was comparable to the DPS's of the party and she struggled to keep my health up because my health dropped too much without much health to begin with. The DPS blamed her as the healer and I was like, "no you guys, this is totally on me, I'm the one who's in the wrong here" but they wouldn't listen. I was too squishy and got over confident with how much strength gear I could get away with whilst sacrificing everything else.

Moral of the story: If experimenting, don't dive in heard first and make your healer cry. As a healer main...I should have known better.