Several visual glitches to equipment

[Liat]

I have found several dramatic visual glitches when trying to mix and match different types of equipment to create looks aka glams, as illustrated below:

1. Eastern Lady Errant's Skirt + High Summoner's Boots



2. Spring Shirt + Weathered Soothsayer's Skirt


3. Calfskin Rider's Jacket + Weathered Soothsayer's Skirt


4. Eastern Lady Errant's Coat + Dirndl's Long Skirt

[Iscah]

Some things definitely do clip, and to a degree it seems to be the price to be paid for other things working.

If I'm understanding the equipment system right, the clipping between the Spring Shirt and the Soothsayer's Skirt is because the shirt is set to not deactivate sashes - which allows it to be used with the Quaintrelle's Skirt.

I haven't seen anyone wear the Rider's Jacket with the Quaintrelle Skirt, but I would guess maybe the combination does work. But perhaps also has issues with the jacket dipping into the skirt.

And the Dirndl's Skirt apron has varying levels of issue with lots of coats.

The legs on the Lady Errant's skirt are definitely an error though, and it happens with all knee-length boots. I've seen people report it already.

[Liat]

Either way, this needs to be addressed. I've seen them fix such issues with other pieces of equipment before, they just need to disable the sash/belt option on the Soothsayer's Skirt and fix the other stuff, so we can actually use it. I'm surprised no one said anything about Soothsayer's Skirt before, I'm sure this goes for the Idealized one as well, though I don't have the newer one to test yet, but I'd like to be able to use it once I can get my hands on it. I reported a similar issue like this with the Dragoon bottoms from Copied Factory (Nier1) on here before and it was addressed by the next hot fix patch, so I'm hoping they look into these glitches as well.

[Iscah]

they just need to disable the sash/belt option on the Soothsayer's Skirt and fix the other stuff, so we can actually use it

That's the thing though. Currently people are able to "actually use" the Quaintrelle's Skirt with the Spring Shirt. To alter the settings so the Soothsayer's Skirt can be used, the other skirt stops being usable. That's the ongoing issue why it vanishes with so many tops - it's programmed as a sash, but nearly everything is set to make sashes vanish.

Everything that causes problems for the Quaintrelle's Skirt will play nicely with the Soothsayer's Skirt, and vice versa.

[Liat]

They're entirely different items. It is possible to fix one without touching the other, I've seen posts from people who had items with a lesser visual disturbance being fixed, no reason to keep these glitches going.

[Iscah]

They're entirely different items. It is possible to fix one without touching the other, I've seen posts from people who had items with a lesser visual disturbance being fixed, no reason to keep these glitches going.

Yes, of course they're different items - but item interactions aren't determined on an item-by-item basis.

To be clear, this is speculative from observation and I've never seen the game code. But it's almost certainly the case that each chest piece has a simple yes/no switch that determines whether sashes show or not, and this is a blanket setting that can't be fine-tuned, otherwise the drama over the Quaintrelle's Skirt wouldn't have happened, or at least been fixed long ago.

Additionally, the Patch 5.4 notes specify that certain shirts, including the Spring Shirt, have been adjusted so that "certain leg gear that was previously hidden can now be seen". That would be the setting that allows sashes to show, and you can see it at work on a few different items. As a quick example with two shirts that are very similar besides how they handle sashes:

The Spring Shirt SHOWS sashes, resulting in:
Visible Quaintrelle's Skirt
Waist drape on Constellation Gaskins
Clipping with waistband of Soothsayer's Skirt (as above)

The Hannish Wool Autumn Shirt HIDES sashes, resulting in:
Incompatibility with Quaintrelle's Skirt
No sash on Constellation Gaskins
Hides waistband and belt of Soothsayer's Skirt

If this was being set piece-by-piece, you probably wouldn't make half those decisions. But it's being applied at a blanket level so some things work while others break.

For the "previous fixes" were these single items or was it about how items interacted? I'm not saying that nothing can be fixed, but that - unless I'm interpreting it wrongly - it's not just a matter of fixing a single interaction between two items but deciding how an entire class of items will interact with each other.