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    wereotter's Avatar
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    Antony Gabbiani
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    I hate the fact that Fuma Shuriken is mostly useless after Raiton... I agree that it could be nice if they'd just turn Shadow Fang into something else and gave a bleeding dot to Fuma Shuriken.

    Actually the current Shadow Fang design is pretty bad. A dot with a recast time longer than the dot duration basically removes the principle of a dot play, which is to keep monitoring the debuff and reapply at the best time possible, usually just before it expires. You basicallt don't have to worry - at all - for the debuff.
    This is the problem with having multiple choices for the same kind of attack. You have four options for single target damage using your ninjutsu, and one is strictly better in most cases than the other three. We had the same thing happen in reverse in previous expansions where due to the bonuses from slashing damage resist down, poisons, and ninjutsu clipping you GCD, it was always better to use fuma instead of raiton. The only way to eliminate this issue is to eliminate one of the attacks entirely.

    Even if we took your suggestion of adding a DOT to fuma, there will be an objectively better and objectively worse choice. If the initial damage + DOT is the same or more than the damage on fuma over raiton, then raiton will never get used. If it's lower (or too much lower because of the 1 second to use a second mudra) then fuma still will never get used.
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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    Quote Originally Posted by wereotter View Post
    This is the problem with having multiple choices for the same kind of attack. You have four options for single target damage using your ninjutsu, and one is strictly better in most cases than the other three.
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    Even if we took your suggestion of adding a DOT to fuma, there will be an objectively better and objectively worse choice. If the initial damage + DOT is the same or more than the damage on fuma over raiton, then raiton will never get used. If it's lower (or too much lower because of the 1 second to use a second mudra) then fuma still will never get used.
    Multiple options can lead to redundant options, that's true. Though Raikai's suggestion could still be a way to get the player to use both. Use Fuma to refresh it's DoT, and use Raiton the rest of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    Multiple options can lead to redundant options, that's true. Though Raikai's suggestion could still be a way to get the player to use both. Use Fuma to refresh it's DoT, and use Raiton the rest of the time.
    In practice, this would probably amount to adding a 60 second DoT to Fuma Shuriken, right? In practice, we're trying to cram two Raitons into the burst window, so a 60-second DoT on Fuma Shuriken would change one of those Raitons to a Fuma Shuriken whenever the DoT would tick long enough to outdo Raiton. That... sounds ok to me

    Make it so!
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