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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    The dresser itself can be binary, and save dye information in the glamour plates. The dresser (and the other thingy for event items) is saving a lot of useless information just because "in case the player wants to take it out again".
    It can be binary but it isn't.
    If they change it to be binary we need dedicated dye storage, or better yet, have players unlock dye transmog style so I'm not hemorrhaging scripts rebuying pearl white and gunmetal black dye.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    HQ and NQ info is also useless because there's no difference in the model anyways.
    It is useful to me.

    I have some pieces with similar thumbnails and use the HQ sparkle to tell them apart without having to hover over them.

    I have HQ gear I glam with that I also remove and use as I'm levelling other jobs.

    It's not a major point but it's not useless.
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    Rofel Dokfel
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    I have some pieces with similar thumbnails and use the HQ sparkle to tell them apart without having to hover over them.

    I have HQ gear I glam with that I also remove and use as I'm levelling other jobs.

    It's not a major point but it's not useless.
    I understand how useful it is (I use it myself) but this is not a glam problem, it's a general storage problem since you're equiping stuff for the stats.

    It opens another can of worms about how space is managed in inventory, saddlebags and retainers (and SE makes money with retainers) and how the dresser is being used to store useful when the point is glam / plates.

    How to solve this? I dunno, but I'd rather manage things I might use later and dyes while keeping everything binary on a dresser / glam book. Heck, even NQ/HQ would be easier to store this way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dzian View Post
    All it needed was essentially a check list or log of visuals you'd unlocked. Then the data requirement would have been minimal.

    Doing that would have essentially made each glamour a binary 0 locked or 1 unlocked when chacked against a master list. Which would then allow 4 glamour appearances per byte of hexadecimal data. So a single block of ffff could be 16 glamours. Where as with the current system its not even 1.

    Glamour A would be 1
    glamour B would be 2
    Glamour C would be 4
    Glamour D would be 8

    then if you had unlocked A and D but not B and C, that byte of data would be 9. if you unlocked C and D but not A and B that byte would be C (12 in hex)

    quite a few games do it like this as its super efficient you could effectively store upto 4000 glamours in a single kilobyte of player data. which would then mean you could store the glamor data for over 1000 player characters on a single age old 3.5 floppy disk.
    Mother-f*#$$$# THIS. This is what I've been saying for ages now and people look at me like I've sprouted an extra head that's just recited the Iliad in flawless Swahili (ok that ONE time.. but honestly). I hear about how much space it would take up, but how much space does the current thing take up? This has to be less than that.

    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    As a programmer, you aren't giving every character a tick sheet of every glam possible in the game. It's way too massive. From the server-end you want to build a list of what they have, not what is possible. In-fact this is done in a lot of games today. 6+ year old players have longer lists, but 1 month players don't and that's how it's funded.
    Why the F not? That's exactly what should be done. How do I know that's exactly what should be done and isn't at all impossible? Because that's exactly what WoW did. How did they do that? Are they magic? I'm a programmer too and if all you're storing is a big list of binary data you can do that in a tiny amount of space per player data. I promise you WoW's system is also account-wide because it actually uses LESS data to do that than it would to store it character-by-character.

    Now... there'd be a notable limitation to this system: you couldn't save anything else. So dyes, HQ bit, and aethereal stats would have to go byebye. We could shift the dyes to the glamour plates themselves. You'd just lose the dye field on the individual entries in the list. Actually currently it's stored in both places, so we just nix one of them. Dyes should be stored in the dresser anyway so let's kill two birds with one stone there. The HQ bit is pretty meaningless for glamours so that's safely discarded. Aethereal stats are a bit of a wrinkle but honestly they also don't really matter in the grand scheme if we're just talking about a big list-o-glamours. I don't believe any aethereal pieces currently have unique models, so we just unlock the base model and leave the aethereal stats alone.

    The current system is a dumpster fire that's rolling around town Katamari Damacy style. And it isn't helped by pretending there's nothing that can be done about it. There is. They just have to stop making excuses and do it.
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    Two possible options.

    1. Small indie studio that can't handle more slots technologically.
    2. They want that sweet sweet money from additional retainers (which leads us to the point one, small indie studio that needs more money because they barely make it from 1st to 1st).
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    Anienai Talenca
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorzai View Post
    Why is the Glamour Dresser Capped at 400?
    Because SE fears the true endgame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorzai View Post
    This is so frustrating, why is the Glamour Dresser Capped at 400? can't they just leave it to be unlimited? holy shit this is annoying.
    I'm more surprised anyone can even reach 400 :P

    I've only used 11 slots so far haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by SecretIsland View Post
    I'm more surprised anyone can even reach 400 :P

    I've only used 11 slots so far haha
    Last night I had to remove around 30 (not so interesting) items from dresser to make a room for the new ones. Painful but had to be done since my inventory is screaming for help
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    400 slots is pretty low for 8 years worth of glamours. It's two retainers. The reason they aren't giving more glam space is so they can sell you more retainers. As we all know, handing them a couple of euros magically solves all these difficult data storage and coding issues.
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    Thea Sitori
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    400 slots is pretty low for 8 years worth of glamours. It's two retainers. The reason they aren't giving more glam space is so they can sell you more retainers. As we all know, handing them a couple of euros magically solves all these difficult data storage and coding issues.
    No doubt, it's part of the reason too, but that's why they gave a glamour closet free and not full storage. Likely as an experiment as well since the curve of glam has gotten higher so they need to increase the share of free storage for it.

    Square-Enix is a public company, just like any others on Wall Street ordeal.

    It wouldn't surprise me if YoshiP wanted to request 200 more slots, it may have to be taken up the chain to Square-Enix finance office on how much money could be lost by dropped retainer subs. There are things we can't always do on programming because the cost/benefit too.
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    Their slimy way of getting people to buy extra retainers that normally wouldn't.
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