Why is the Maturity Lvl of People Playing this game so much higher than that of WoW?

[Ralph2449]

It's amazing what focusing on one game that doesn't punish me just for playing can do for my mood. I've been a happier guy. lol FF XIV isn't perfect, but it's better than...whatever WoW has become. WoW's current state made me appreciate just how good I have it here, even though I always have at least one bone to pick.

Yeah the difference is quite visible, the game doesnt rush you, doesnt punish you for not doing X thing per week, it doesnt force you into content/toxic community you dont like because it is the only way to progress gear and isnt a mindless grind for the sake of it, grinding definitely belong in the mmorpg genre but WoW is just adding grind on grind for the sake of it to keep people busy rather than give them decent rewards. (Cuz if we give decent rewards our high end players will feel FORCED to do dirty casual grinds for power, we cant have that, lets invent some boring irrelevant anima grind with no power attached, i bet casuals will love it)

I only decided to try ff14 in the last couple of months after I was completely done with WoW and i honestly doubt I ll ever touch WoW again, FF14 is simply a fun video game with a ton of content as well as pretty great challenging group fights that simply look marvelous and some big grinds that have some really cool rewards at the end, unlike other mmorpgs I enjoyed like swtor that were fun but just didnt have enough to keep me playing, FF14 is great and has all the things I want from a good mmorpg which explains why it is one of the biggest mmorpgs out there even though it might not be as profitable compared to WoW's predatory systems that pretty much push people to buy tokens to get boosted since it is the least painful way to get gear.

More importantly FF14 has great levels of immersion with their choice of great graphics and animation over performance, plus great story plus such great aesthetics to the point you feel like you are inside that encounter

[Vahlnir]

Yeah the difference is quite visible, the game doesnt rush you, doesnt punish you for not doing X thing per week, it doesnt force you into content/toxic community you dont like because it is the only way to progress gear and isnt a mindless grind for the sake of it, grinding definitely belong in the mmorpg genre but WoW is just adding grind on grind for the sake of it to keep people busy rather than give them decent rewards. (Cuz if we give decent rewards our high end players will feel FORCED to do dirty casual grinds for power, we cant have that, lets invent some boring irrelevant anima grind with no power attached, i bet casuals will love it)

I only decided to try ff14 in the last couple of months after I was completely done with WoW and i honestly doubt I ll ever touch WoW again, FF14 is simply a fun video game with a ton of content as well as pretty great challenging group fights that simply look marvelous and some big grinds that have some really cool rewards at the end, unlike other mmorpgs I enjoyed like swtor that were fun but just didnt have enough to keep me playing, FF14 is great and has all the things I want from a good mmorpg which explains why it is one of the biggest mmorpgs out there even though it might not be as profitable compared to WoW's predatory systems that pretty much push people to buy tokens to get boosted since it is the least painful way to get gear.

More importantly FF14 has great levels of immersion with their choice of great graphics and animation over performance, plus great story plus such great aesthetics to the point you feel like you are inside that encounter

Well said. This game was made with a heart and soul, and so far it hasn't lost that. WoW lost both a long, long time ago. It just took me a long time to come to terms with that. I still had one heck of a ride, but I feel that I might have made my exit for the final time, and that makes me sad. Before I would say "yeah, I'll be back at some point" which usually translated to a few months down the road. I'm a few months down the road once again...and I can't picture myself doing that. It's painful to even think about, especially after seeing what their plans are. Clearly they haven't learned anything.

[BobLoblaw26]

It cracks me up how many of the elite players constantly get "attitude" after recommendations or explaining mechanics. If it keeps happening, maybe its in the way *you're* behaving? I've explained mechs many times to people, and I honestly can't think of one moment where a person got angry or felt attacked. There's a way you can discuss things like a decent group of people - methinks the elitists (especially with the attitude most possess on the boards) forego this. I'm willing to make a very large wager that 9 times out of 10 it's a pre-made group of 6-7 people ganging up on some poor souls from PF.

I stopped playing WoW around Wrath of the Lich King, and honestly I didn't notice the game was *that* toxic. I stopped playing FFXIV, initially, right around 2.4, and the community seemed much saltier at that time. I feel like it's gotten much better and actively has more "nice" players than WoW did, even though the toxic people can be just as toxic in both.

[Shin96]

It's more mature because of the TOS. I guarantee you chaos if they ever decided to lower the bar in terms of what is allowed to say or not, even I would lose my composure a bit considering the type of players I dislike in this game.

[LisSquid]

GMs actually do their job on 14. The level of maturity is only surface on 14 as everyone takes their business to discord and other platforms, trust. People don't have the freedom to air their laundry like they do on WoW, where GMs are often on vacation.

Messy people will be messy. Look no further than the ser aymeric bot fiasco..

[VirusOnline]

The stuff I've seen in Limsa
The PF ERP weirdness
The uwu and owo-ers that i stg if they uwu one more time
The threat of that report button being slammed
The 2B butt. I mean legs. I mean that thing that promotes wonderingeyetis
The amount of hrothgar running around who should be renamed to manbuttgrar
Also have you been to limsa ???

On a more serious note, WoW has changed so much since WOTLK (WOTLK was so great and wow has never been the same TM).
Since then, WoW has sent the message through game design that other players are your tools rather than being other people to work with towards a goal.

FFXIV does have this design, but imo what is different is that XIV introduces another layer within its design and that is : socialization.

[Puremallace]

You are probably a sprout. Little icon like that we protect like our children.

[KeshLives]

You are probably a sprout. Little icon like that we protect like our children.

Ah, yes. I remember you back in the day somewhere else. I'm actually surprised you like it here, but, but that's ok.

Cheers.