Disallow Relocation, At Least Temporarily

[Catstab]

]No one is going to dismantle a FC and relinquish the FC house in an attempt to bypass a relocation cooldown when it means the FC will no longer have a house in the current housing environment.

This is plainly incorrect. I don't know why you wrote it, as you almost certainly know it's incorrect. People aren't going to pass on a dream house over a 30-day cooldown if there's a way around it.

Large houses still sit open 5-20 minutes on some servers. You can do the actions I describe in 45 seconds, especially with more than one officer kicking people and breaking down subs.

[Jojoya]

This is plainly incorrect. I don't know why you wrote it, as you almost certainly know it's incorrect. People aren't going to pass on a dream house over a 30-day cooldown if there's a way around it.

Large houses still sit open 5-20 minutes on some servers. You can do the actions I describe in 45 seconds, especially with more than one officer kicking people and breaking down subs.

You still are not thinking this through. If they relinquish their current house, their status changes from relocation to purchase and they will have to wait out the purchase timer before they even have a chance to buy it.

What are the chances that Mist 5/35 will remain unsold for the 4-22 hours necessary before it's available for purchase?

ZERO It is a lost cause before they even finish dismantling the FC because the house will have been sold within 10 minutes of becoming available. The housing discords see to that with the way they monitor available plots.

Again, no FC is going to dismantle itself and relinquish a house when all that will happen is they will no longer have a house at all. They will instead wait for something to become available when they are once again eligible to relocate. 30 days is not that long a period.\

Maybe you're getting confused about whether I'm discussing the abolition of relocation altogether or if I'm discussing an increase to the cooldown for relocation. I'm discussing the increase to the cooldown. I would definitely be against removing relocation altogether.

You design a product to be used in the worst case scenario, not set your user up to fail.

Games are designed to set the user up to fail all the time. That is what creates the challenge that drives many players and the satisfaction that comes from not failing and beating the challenge.

When it comes to houses in this game, the system is already designed for the player to fail because there are not enough houses for every player.

[Catstab]

What are the chances that Mist 5/35 will remain unsold for the 4-22 hours necessary before it's available for purchase?

You accuse me of not thinking this through, and yet despite the fact that I've been clear that mist 35 stands as an example of "a desirable upgrade" you're here acting as if the only house any FC would ever upgrade to is that one, and acting as if all servers are very high population.

Some FCs have LB 12 for a dream plot. If they find their LB 12 on day #28 of their 'cooldown' and boot all their members so they can buy a house, it would be considered a repercussion of this poor suggestion. Right now, this can't conceivably happen. So we're adding something harmful into the game, and hoping people don't make mistakes and harm themselves with it. That is the mindset of someone who has never designed anything for use by people. And it shows.

Said it about a dozen times now - The problem for campers is the timer. The problem is not relocators. The only way relocation should ever be nerfed is if it is entirely removed along with the timer and replaced with a better system.

[Venjamin]

You accuse me of not thinking this through, and yet despite the fact that I've been clear that mist 35 stands as an example of "a desirable upgrade" you're here acting as if the only house any FC would ever upgrade to is that one, and acting as if all servers are very high population./snip.

This is absolute folly. You are suggesting that the FC leader's "perfect plot" opens up, so they're willing to go entirely houseless for a CHANCE to get their 'ideal' spot? Because guess what, they still can't relocate. They would literally have to do all the things you said, get rid of their housing, and then camp the placard. Not just purchase outright

No one, and I mean no one, would be willing to do that. You're talking about this farfetched thing that is so far away from reality as to not be in the same world any more.

Relocation is not okay. Relocation should not allow you to cut the timer.

Relocation should only stay if they, too, are subjected to the dumb lockout timer like the rest of us, and get a cheery red light that says "this plot is not available for relocation yet."

[Catstab]

You are suggesting that the FC leader's "perfect plot" opens up, so they're willing to go entirely houseless for a CHANCE to get their 'ideal' spot? Because guess what, they still can't relocate. They would literally have to do all the things you said, get rid of their housing, and then camp the placard. Not just purchase outright

Let me try to explain this, even though it's clear that aspects of housing and human nature are being left out of your thought process.

Your FC wants Lavender Beds 15. Recently you moved from Goblet outer ring to Goblet poolside. Lavender Beds 15 is one of 6 plots open today.
Options:
A) Wait the month, and keep looking for your dream plot afterward. You may never see it again.
B) Break the house down and camp for the new one
C) Break the house down, ending the relocation cooldown attached to the estate. Check the 6 open houses for being purchase-ready. If one is ready, buy it and relocate to your dream plot (before you try it: no, purchasing does not trigger relocation cooldown, only relocating does)

You call option B and C "farfetched things that are so far away from reality." But you're plainly wrong. They are the only options other than "accept defeat" and they both can work. That means people will try them. And if they do, they have to break their FCs down.

So currently:
-No one has to break FCs down for housing reasons, ever.
-Campers only face the timer once, then access the housing market freely

The suggestion:
-Sometimes social FCs die, but only if their leaders dare make a mistake in your deeply flawed system
-Campers camp every relocation they ever want, because standing at a placard adds replayability to ff14

[Venjamin]

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B) Break the house down and camp for the new one
C) Break the house down, ending the relocation cooldown attached to the estate. Check the 6 open houses for being purchase-ready. If one is ready, buy it and relocate to your dream plot (before you try it: no, purchasing does not trigger relocation cooldown, only relocating does)


So currently:
-No one has to break FCs down for housing reasons, ever.
-Campers only face the timer once, then access the housing market freely (THIS is the problem.)

The suggestion:
-Sometimes social FCs die, but only if their leaders dare make a mistake in your deeply flawed system
-Campers camp every relocation they ever want, because standing at a placard adds replayability to ff14

Firstly: No. Why would you be allowed to relocate directly after purchasing? The suggestion, ultimately, is designed so that players can't jump the timer. That is the problem.

Secondly: "Facing the timer once" is either a head-in-the-sand best case scenario, or a plain lie. So far in the last two weeks I've played the "camp the placard" game DOZENS of times.

Third: The system is ALREADY deeply flawed. The suggestion just makes it so people who ALREADY have a house don't have a SIGNIFICANT advantage over those who do not. I don't care about relocation, in the end. I think relocation is fine, with one caveat: I care about relocation taking priority over those who do not have a house. I would take the massive price inflation of house flippers over this "hey spend several hours doing NOTHING because of FOMO/playing the placard roulette, only to have someone walk up and relocate onto the plot you've been camping." Like, HALF of that equation is already garbage, the second half just propels it into the core of Trash Planet.

[Catstab]

Firstly: No. Why would you be allowed to relocate directly after purchasing?

Because that is how it works! Have you even played final fantasy? The 5-minute relocation cooldown is activated upon relocating, not on initial purchase. Changing it to 30 days doesn't change that.

[ForteNightshade]

You accuse me of not thinking this through, and yet despite the fact that I've been clear that mist 35 stands as an example of "a desirable upgrade" you're here acting as if the only house any FC would ever upgrade to is that one, and acting as if all servers are very high population.

Some FCs have LB 12 for a dream plot. If they find their LB 12 on day #28 of their 'cooldown' and boot all their members so they can buy a house, it would be considered a repercussion of this poor suggestion. Right now, this can't conceivably happen. So we're adding something harmful into the game, and hoping people don't make mistakes and harm themselves with it. That is the mindset of someone who has never designed anything for use by people. And it shows.

Said it about a dozen times now - The problem for campers is the timer. The problem is not relocators. The only way relocation should ever be nerfed is if it is entirely removed along with the timer and replaced with a better system.

You're still missing the entire point Jojoya and others have made. If this hypothetical FC demolishes their house, this automatically puts them on the timer system. Therefore, if LB 12 isn't available to purchase yet, they're risking someone else beating them to the placard click and winding up with absolutely nothing. In no way, whatsoever, is your scenario remotely plausible unless the hypothetical "dream plot" is literally able to be bought in the very split second they demolish their FC. And lets be real here, they wouldn't even get the menu opened before someone grabbed it.

What your saying just doesn't make any logical sense.

[Catstab]

What your saying just doesn't make any logical sense.

See the above post.

[Penthea]

What are the chances that Mist 5/35 will remain unsold for the 4-22 hours necessary before it's available for purchase?

ZERO It is a lost cause before they even finish dismantling the FC because the house will have been sold within 10 minutes of becoming available. The housing discords see to that with the way they monitor available plots.

Yea even on dead servers the mansions get snapped up very fast. It's always the cottages that devalue. Mediums sometimes but very rarely. Mansions? Maybe long ago when the player base was much smaller, but not now. And well considering NA rarely has open plots...well yea, no need to say more about that.