Disallow Relocation, At Least Temporarily

[Penthea]

I'm the leader of an FC. We have an LB 41. We do not desire to relocate ever again. I argue on behalf of all FCs that would like to relocate.

I am stunned that you think so many fcs would be greatly hindered by a cd on relocation that's only a week or two. Most fcs and players who just got their house or relocated are too busy being happy in their new spot to be looking to move again so soon.

Especially considering that purchasing and relocation is not free. The costs add up fast if you relocate a lot in a short space of time, which is money most are not willing to spend. New wards are always announced long before they are launched so a fc could easily choose to abstain from relocating until the new wards come so that they're not on cd when their favourite plot becomes available.

But it's clear you're not willing to budge on your stance that increasing the cd is some sort of despicable idea that would put fcs through some manner of torture, and anything else I have to say about this to you would just be repetition.

[Catstab]

Most fcs and players who just got their house or relocated are too busy being happy in their new spot to be looking to move again so soon.

So, you can't control when a stranger's plot auto-demolishes. Things like 'a placard Mist 35' just happen. They happen any time, at random. You cannot plan for it. You don't have to want or be ready it to happen for it to happen. It's just a thing that happens.

If a mist 35 opens while an FC that is currently inside their suggested cooldown has access to it, it is very likely that the FC will elect to pursue the opportunity at all costs. This would cause damage to the FC that the current system prevents. Creating a system that causes extra damage is a bad idea.

Again, let's make things easier for campers, not harder for relocators. The answer isn't "damage a groups player experience until both groups are comparably miserable."

[Mimilu]

So your suggestion fails to save the house and partially disbands the FC, thereby creating suffering for no benefit.

Again, lets make things better for campers, not worse for relocators.

Because suggesting raising the placard prices so that only people who treat the game like a cookie clicker can afford them is totally looking out for campers (and totally not going to make RMTing more profitable). >w>
My suggestion only makes it "worse" for those who want to relocate right after buying a plot (thus leaving another plot with a reset sales timer for campers to loose out on to another relocator, repeating the cycle), who frankly, like Penthea said, should be thankful that they were able to get a house at all with this system. FCs and players who have owned a house longer then the cooldown wouldn't be effected until they relocated, which I would hope an established homeowner/FC would know what they want by that point.

[Catstab]

Because suggesting raising the placard prices... is totally looking out for campers.

500 million gil is nothing to a player that wants to be among the 432 players per server to have a personal large.
125 million or less gil from 4 or more members is nothing for an FC that wants to be one of the 144 per server to have a large.

Even owning a small house is only available to 2,880 characters per server. For something that exclusive, people can rake together 40 million.
The 960 FCs per server that have smalls can probably handle getting 10 mil or less per member together.

These were the prices in ARR era, though they were adjusted by server to compensate for population. We as players begged Yoshi-P to slash them. He said "wealthy players will buy out wards if we do that." We insisted. He caved.

So you have it right there that multiple plot owners would be crippled by the price hike, and with the price hike we can do away with the timer. Frequently, campers spend 100+ hours at small plots before achieving a purchase. So my suggestion saves campers ~100+ hours at the cost of a reasonable amount of gil.

[Mimilu]

500 million gil is nothing to a player that wants to be among the 432 players per server to have a personal large.
125 million or less gil from 4 or more members is nothing for an FC that wants to be one of the 144 per server to have a large.

Even owning a small house is only available to 2,880 characters per server. For something that exclusive, people can rake together 40 million.
The 960 FCs per server that have smalls can probably handle getting 10 mil or less per member together.

These were the prices in ARR era, though they were adjusted by server to compensate for population. We as players begged Yoshi-P to slash them. He said "wealthy players will buy out wards if we do that." We insisted. He caved.

So you have it right there that multiple plot owners would be crippled by the price hike, and with the price hike we can do away with the timer. Frequently, campers spend 100+ hours at small plots before achieving a purchase. So my suggestion saves campers ~100+ hours at the cost of a reasonable amount of gil.

Yes and the prices were cut because no regular player could afford them at the time, leaving housing for only those who treated the game like a business and made house-flipping lucrative (both for gil and for real money).
A large number of players trying to buy small houses now can only afford small houses because they like playing the game casually and/or worry more about what they're doing is fun versus lucrative.
All your suggestion would do is punish players who play casually, which in my eyes is worse.

[Catstab]

those who treated the game like a business and made house-flipping lucrative

Today players like this own multiple houses, sometimes several. Just like Yoshi-P said they would under a cut-price system. Saying 'no one had that money 7 years ago' doesn't mean anything. Everyone has the money now.

I don't think "less than half the gil you made doing the story + ~100 hours of blood sweat and tears" is a good price for a house. Camping is anti fun. Camping is so anti fun that people are suggesting we make the housing system even worse than it already is on the off chance that it might reduce the suffering.

My suggestion cripples people who would become multiple house owners. It also saves campers ~100 hours each. That's a lot of gameplay time given back to the players. Gameplay time = fun.

[Mimilu]

Today players like this own multiple houses, sometimes several. Just like Yoshi-P said they would under a cut-price system. Saying 'no one had that money 7 years ago' doesn't mean anything. Everyone has the money now.

I don't think "less than half the gil you made doing the story + ~100 hours of blood sweat and tears" is a good price for a house. Camping is anti fun. Camping is so anti fun that people are suggesting we make the housing system even worse than it already is on the off chance that it might reduce the suffering.

My suggestion cripples people who would become multiple house owners. It also saves campers ~100 hours each. That's a lot of gameplay time given back to the players. Gameplay time = fun.

Making housing only for the rich is also anti-fun and anti-casual, especially considering home decorating is considered casual content.
Your suggestion doesn't hinder those with gil from buying multiple houses because most of them are more then willing to use bots to spam placard and harvest mats/craft goods to sell on the marketboard. Hell, there are even bots for clearing hardcore content like savage raids and Ultimates.
My suggestion would slow down the bot-users from jumping from one plot to another. There's one on Exodus that does this regularly with the same Goblet plot: They send a bot or two to spam the placard, one gets it, it leaves to go relocate to another plot, if another bot isn't there, another is sent to scoop that plot back up, rinse and repeat. I've reported them and all their alts (which were extremely obvious) and nothing came from it.

[Catstab]

Your suggestion doesn't hinder those with gil from buying multiple houses

20 small houses now = 60 million

20 small houses at ARR pricing = 800 million

So multiple house owners can get or spend 800 million as easily as they can get or spend 60 million? No, they cannot, obviously. My suggestion would slow them down 10-fold.

But we're getting way off topic. This thread is not about a price hike. I only gave it a passing mention on the very first page of the thread, and you've brought it up days later in a poor attempt to prove that I do not support campers and derail the conversation from the fact that your suggestion only creates suffering in the hopes that something good will come of said suffering. In the likely event it doesn't bring any positive change, your suggestion does nothing but reduce quality of life. "Let's reduce QoL" is not a helpful suggestion.

[Mimilu]

20 small houses now = 60 million

20 small houses at ARR pricing = 800 million

So multiple house owners can get or spend 800 million as easily as they can get or spend 60 million? No, they cannot, obviously. My suggestion would slow them down 10-fold.

But we're getting way off topic. This thread is not about a price hike. I only gave it a passing mention earlier and you latched onto it.

And again, it wouldn't slow them down if they are using bots to earn gil.
But you are right, your suggestion took us off topic.
My suggestion still stands. It prevents characters/FC from plot hopping (leaving plots with reset buy timers that give other relocators time to scoop it up, repeating the cycle) and slows down bots, allowing those without houses the chance to buy reasonably-priced housing.

[Arielen]

hey guys why don't we just disable auto-demo again until most of the world is vaccinated