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    The new melee job and its weapon, theory time!

    The new melee job may be wielding a Zaghnal/Zaghnol?

    It's a merge between a hammer and a scythe, an ancient Indian war hammer. Indian traditions mostly inspire Radz-at-Han, hence the connection.

    In FFXI, only DRK, WAR, and BST can wield it, and the developers decided to categorise the Zaghnal as a Scythe but with elemental properties. It's a blunt weapon from one side and a slashing one from the other. Zaghnal in the Final Fantasy Series appeared in FFXII (as a boss), FFXI, FFIX.

    I have attached an image related to the weapon.

    Speculations about Zenos's new job:
    Zenos isn't a magic-oriented character, but in Endwalker, he might have decided to tinker with magic because of his newly found weapon. Assuming it was Zaghnal or a (Scythe) as SE categorises it.

    Taken from D&D, a Cavalier is a sub melee class that can also fight while mounting; it's a heavy-damage dealing class that can hinder enemies based on the damage taken by the party members aside from their own.
    It can lock the target in place, mark it with a magic debuff and force a damage tracker on its allies. The more damage allies receive from the enemy, the higher the job damage becomes. So, staying in melee range is the best strategy this job can do to track everything then charge ahead dealing massive blunt or slashing damage.

    I could imagine the new melee class having two stances if Zaghnal was the weapon of choice, a slashing stance and a blunt stance based on the type of debuffs applied. In FFXIV, we can also assume that this job can operate another way, having a partner (like how DNC performs) as your targeted ally to track their damage received, your damage will increase the more damage your partner gets, while you provide them with some benefits in return.

    Cavalier wears heavy armour and can wield a variety of weapons; a war hammer is an option.

    It's also worth noting that this subclass usually serves royalty or comes from a royal background and stays as far as they can from the "divine", unlike PLD, their motives come from the pure thrill of battle, another connection to Zenos (the thrill of competition).

    It is all assumptions for now, but I tried to speculate the same as everybody else.

    Thoughts?

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    Last edited by Vyy; 03-10-2021 at 10:55 PM.

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    Refresh me please... why are we so sure the next job will have something scythe-like?
    Because of the grim reaper on the T-shirt?
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    Not just the T-shirt (which I didn't want to mention because Yoshi-P is known to do tricks), however, an easter egg in the trailer were Zenos was sitting on a throne waiting for something; from the back of the throne, you see what appears to be a part of a scythe next to him.
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    Ah, wonderful.
    Thank you for the refresher.
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    I'd rather wait for the announcement of the next live letter, the date of which is known, than go on fantasmed delirium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki34 View Post
    I'd rather wait for the announcement of the next live letter, the date of which is known, than go on fantasmed delirium.
    Go ahead and do that, no one is asking you to be part of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyy View Post
    Go ahead and do that, no one is asking you to be part of it.
    May as well close out the topic then if they're not going to participate.
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    I wouldn't call that "participation", nothing was added.
    To each their own.
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    I always like speculation, but I've said it to others too with similar theories, that I doubt Yoshi-P would wear a shirt as hint without there being any real chance of people figuring out what he's referring to.

    I don't want to start an argument over it, like others have done when I point it out, but the fact that you had to create a completely new Final Fantasy job based on a D&D class, just doesn't make much sense to me.

    All other jobs that has been introduced to the game, has either just straight up been announced (like Sage for example), or we've gotten a shirt hint that points directly do an existing Final Fantasy job. In fact, every single job in FFXIV, are either directly taken or heavily inspired by a job/character from another Final Fantasy game. I could be wrong, but I very much doubt they will be moving away from that any time soon, since there is a lot of jobs and characters they could pick from.

    What I'm trying to get at, is that while it's possible that they just suddenly shifted to creating a completely new job, based on D&D, and the shirt hint being almost impossible to predict... Why wouldn't it just be the more easy answer? The easy answer being that they are once again hinting at an existing job or character in Final Fantasy. It just so happens that there does exist a character that fits it perfectly.

    Sice from Type-0 is very much an interpretation of a reaper. She uses a Scythe, absorbs hatred of the dead, has an ability called grim reaper and was designed to be kinda like a grim reaper in combat. We also have Ran'jit, who they for some reason decided to add a form where he uses a scythe. He isn't using it in the way most would consider using a scythe, and they added specific animations for it. Is it really a coincidence that he attacks using the scythe one-handed, and using a scythe one-handed just happens to be something Sice does.

    I'm not saying I'm 100% correct, but I just feel like the theories are getting a little far-fetched now. Especially since, if his shirt hints are only pointing to the weapon, and it's a completely new job, then the shirts doesn't really have much meaning, since nobody could predict it. Doesn't seem very Yoshi-P like
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    Watch Zenos be the new class but it's frickin PUP : D


    Quote Originally Posted by Craiger View Post
    I'm not saying I'm 100% correct, but I just feel like the theories are getting a little far-fetched now. Especially since, if his shirt hints are only pointing to the weapon, and it's a completely new job, then the shirts doesn't really have much meaning, since nobody could predict it. Doesn't seem very Yoshi-P like
    On one hand... occam's razor.
    On the other... Yoshi's shirts have given pretty elaborate hints before so who knows.
    I do agree that the D&D connection is probably searching in the wrong direction though, and that the shirt is probably hinting to the job itself and not the weapon, if only because we have precedent with his previous shirts to think this way.
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