GM Responses, Roleplay Advertising, and Party Finder - Megathread

[Kaurhz]

Just keep it appropriate for the age rating that has been designated and all be good. Don't expose minors or people not of appropriate age to an explicit mature setting, simple.

[Darkpaw]

IT i not against roleplaying values the ToS at all to do roleplaying stuff, but if flooding or spamming the tool of Partyfinder with stuff it goes into that area as spam with or without special content.. then name itself 'partyfinder' indicates it is needed to find players for content that the game has built... pvp, fates, treasure map hunts, roulettes and much more down those lines.

I don't see why it specific has to be explained in the ToS what the use of PF is, when it say it with the name only.

Except the rules and use of partyfinder in the manual as expressed earlier do not state it is only meant to be used for content just for “likeminded goals” and even after such Yoshi-P himself has said the dev team considers RP part of the game content so as such it is perfectly viable and should be allowed to be advertised in the partyfinder feature.

You may not like that fact but it is content and therefore by your own definition, people are allowed to use pf to find like minded people for it. And as for the 18+ argument, okay if the rp’ers looking for like minded people to play with on the pf can’t define the terms of their search. I expect every one of you to say it’s not fair for farm parties to specify everyone has to have a clear, or clear parties have to be at a certain phase.

Ya know wouldn’t be right to set the standard that Rp’ers cant define their search parameters publicly but the raiders can. So if we’re gonna do this lets go big and do it right. Only vague pf posts now, sort out who you want as they join your party. :3

[LianaThorne]

Except the rules and use of partyfinder in the manual as expressed earlier do not state it is only meant to be used for content just for “likeminded goals” and even after such Yoshi-P himself has said the dev team considers RP part of the game content so as such it is perfectly viable and should be allowed to be advertised in the partyfinder feature.

You may not like that fact but it is content and therefore by your own definition, people are allowed to use pf to find like minded people for it. And as for the 18+ argument, okay if the rp’ers looking for like minded people to play with on the pf can’t define the terms of their search. I expect every one of you to say it’s not fair for farm parties to specify everyone has to have a clear, or clear parties have to be at a certain phase.

Ya know wouldn’t be right to set the standard that Rp’ers cant define their search parameters publicly but the raiders can. So if we’re gonna do this lets go big and do it right. Only vague pf posts now, sort out who you want as they join your party. :3

Not sure what age and clearing content have to do with each other but okay. I was on board with your argument until you went there. Having 18+ content in a game meant for 13+ is incredibly different than having a raid/trial/dungeon completed so people can farm mounts quickly. I really hope you can understand that...

[RavenEbonclaw]

Uhh, either your blissfully ignorant in regards to what you're talking about, or being willfully deceptive. Do a Google search of 'pornshire' and you'll find that the first 3 1/2-ish pages are dedicated to the ERP that is common place Goldshire, a small village that is in a level 1 starting area for Humans. And it has been known as such since about Cataclysm or Mists of Pandaria so it's certainly not a recent development. For those that don't want that in their search history - https://www.google.com/search?client...-d&q=pornshire

The difference between the two is that WoW's community is a bit more gruff, rough, and tumble. XIV... not so much, at best it's a bunch of idealists projecting how they feel it should be, or at worst it's a bunch of sjw's finding a soapbox to stand on. And no, I'm not trying to turn this into a talking point, just firing thoughts into the void, but feel free to respond just don't expect one in return.

I’m well aware of it, used to play on moonguard. Not sure you understood the point I was getting across. Both games are T for teen, it is not a viewed “issue” there, but it is in this community, and it’s garnering account actions.

[Themarvin]

Except the rules and use of partyfinder in the manual as expressed earlier do not state it is only meant to be used for content just for “likeminded goals” and even after such Yoshi-P himself has said the dev team considers RP part of the game content so as such it is perfectly viable and should be allowed to be advertised in the partyfinder feature.

You may not like that fact but it is content and therefore by your own definition, people are allowed to use pf to find like minded people for it. And as for the 18+ argument, okay if the rp’ers looking for like minded people to play with on the pf can’t define the terms of their search. I expect every one of you to say it’s not fair for farm parties to specify everyone has to have a clear, or clear parties have to be at a certain phase.

Ya know wouldn’t be right to set the standard that Rp’ers cant define their search parameters publicly but the raiders can. So if we’re gonna do this lets go big and do it right. Only vague pf posts now, sort out who you want as they join your party. :3

Use Fellowshipfinder, it is quite usefull and also to be able to shape a community better, for those engaged in it, also it is way more usefull for RP content than what spamming/flooding with an ad in Partyfinder, even though fellowship does not seem to have much of an interface then it DO have massive posible corners to play around with.

[Darkpaw]

Not sure what age and clearing content have to do with each other but okay. I was on board with your argument until you went there. Having 18+ content in a game meant for 13+ is incredibly different than having a raid/trial/dungeon completed so people can farm mounts quickly. I really hope you can understand that...

Oh I understand the age thing is different but, RP’ers looking for a certain age group to write with is not illegal nor does it violate any ToS or UA.

So I used the obviously ridiculous comparison to show how ridiculous the request was.

You are asking adults to act like 13 year olds and in a manner that is acceptable to 13 year olds. In place of them trying to create a clearly defined space for them to be adults and amongst consenting adults. At some point parental responsibility has to be a factor.

This is a teen rated game is not an argument to force censorship. The PF has already been cleared by GMs to be used in the way it has been. So if that’s changed it needs to be clarified if not then random account strikes need to be stopped. Period.

Nothing wrong with catering your own space. Get over yourselves. And parents, you should celebrate the fact that these people put 18+ in their ads, know why?! SO YOU CAN MAKE SURE YOUR KIDS DONT GO!

[Darkpaw]

Use Fellowshipfinder, it is quite usefull and also to be able to shape a community better, for those engaged in it, also it is way more usefull for RP content than what spamming/flooding with an ad in Partyfinder, even though fellowship does not seem to have much of an interface then it DO have massive posible corners to play around with.

As for Fellowships, there’s nothing saying RP’ers can’t use the pf or has to use the fellowships, thats why clarity has been asked for. I dont run a venue or anything, but I’m not gonna sit here and watch a section of this community get ostracized and cast out and censored over some bs cancel culture argument that isn’t even well thought out.

[Kaurhz]

Oh I understand the age thing is different but, RP’ers looking for a certain age group to write with is not illegal nor does it violate any ToS or UA.

So I used the obviously ridiculous comparison to show how ridiculous the request was.

You are asking adults to act like 13 year olds and in a manner that is acceptable to 13 year olds. In place of them trying to create a clearly defined space for them to be adults and amongst consenting adults. At some point parental responsibility has to be a factor.

This is a teen rated game is not an argument to force censorship. The PF has already been cleared by GMs to be used in the way it has been. So if that’s changed it needs to be clarified if not then random account strikes need to be stopped. Period.

Nothing wrong with catering your own space. Get over yourselves. And parents, you should celebrate the fact that these people put 18+ in their ads, know why?! SO YOU CAN MAKE SURE YOUR KIDS DONT GO!

That was a false equivalence. Advertising in itself is not illegal and doesn't violate anything, but it opens up a vulnerable situation to those that aren't of an appropriate age. Furthermore, you cannot control whether someone does or doesn't access the venue that is not of appropriate age, this is the issue with advertising 18+ content in an open space; that tag is the only control/blockade you have to prevent, which in itself is not a sufficient measure.

If someone who is 13 accessed a mature venue and were to do anything deemed as inappropriate or illegal, then you can rest assured the person or people of mature age complicit in the activity would be deemed as largely responsible, as would the person advertising. If any backlash were to ever come of this I can dare argue that SE would very quickly stamp their foot down.

Dunno if you're a parent or not, but do you have any idea of the difficulty with policing their every activity in an online game? Not feasible, and the child isn't going to go; "Mum, can I access this mature venue that has been advertised as 18+" - Their curiosity will trump their asking for permission.

[LianaThorne]

Oh I understand the age thing is different but, RP’ers looking for a certain age group to write with is not illegal nor does it violate any ToS or UA.

So I used the obviously ridiculous comparison to show how ridiculous the request was.

You are asking adults to act like 13 year olds and in a manner that is acceptable to 13 year olds. In place of them trying to create a clearly defined space for them to be adults and amongst consenting adults. At some point parental responsibility has to be a factor.

This is a teen rated game is not an argument to force censorship. The PF has already been cleared by GMs to be used in the way it has been. So if that’s changed it needs to be clarified if not then random account strikes need to be stopped. Period.

Nothing wrong with catering your own space. Get over yourselves. And parents, you should celebrate the fact that these people put 18+ in their ads, know why?! SO YOU CAN MAKE SURE YOUR KIDS DONT GO!

At the end of the day, you still don't know who is behind the screen typing to you when you go out and meet someone randomly at a venue and you can't just demand parents to do what you would like them to do.

I've said this before in other threads but, especially with the pandemic, my friends, people I engage with on other websites, etc. who are parents are incredibly sick of having to mind their children 24/7. As in, they actively look for ways to give them distractions so they don't have to monitor what they do and get space from them. I don't agree with that mindset if you bring a kid into the world but ultimately I'm not a parent and I don't know how it feels to parent. I'm just saying that you're doing a lot of assuming that the majority of parents monitor their kids internet access/gaming habits appropriately/that they even want to bother doing that. If that was the case, children/teens wouldn't be emptying out their parents entire bank accounts on microtransactions (I'm sure we all know about the FIFA drama) and it wouldn't be as big of a deal as it is in the video game industry right now. I had parents who did monitor my internet access but it didn't start until AFTER I got caught doing things that were not age appropriate for me at the time. A lot don't even consider their child being anything other than a perfect angel online until after they do something wrong.

I personally agree with the stance of: "If you want to engage in 18+ activities, do it with people you know in a private setting." You do not know who is on the other end in a random encounter and I'm sorry, telling me that children/teens should know better isn't valid either because I'm sure you made mistakes when you were younger too.

[RavenEbonclaw]

Use Fellowshipfinder, it is quite usefull and also to be able to shape a community better, for those engaged in it, also it is way more usefull for RP content than what spamming/fl with an ad in Partyfinder, even though fellowship does not seem to have much of an interface then it DO have massive posible corners to play around with.

Next we’ll have people flaming fellowships over the same reasons.